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January 20, 2016 | #16 | |
Tomatovillian™
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I am not sure if you realize this or not but for people of Japanese descent would find the use of Ni***** which comes from N** which in turn came from Nippon (Japan in Japanese) as racial slur. Best of luck with your breeding efforts, Jeff |
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January 20, 2016 | #17 |
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BEIST F2 - Black Early X Indian Stripe
Considering the amount of hard and unevenly ripened fruit I had to look at this summer, it was a real relief to have at least one slicer with no hardness, pale spots, or any adverse effects on texture at all.
I started six seedlings of the Beist F2, and one of them flowered early which is as I expected from a 1/4 ratio. Besides the ultra smooth texture and the earliness of this black beef in spite of the cold, this F2 and its siblings had a very dense fruiting pattern as I also noticed in the F1. The plant did lose a main stem to mold - as did many others - but it recovered well and went on to fruit well into the late season. In spite of these advantages which make it worth growing further, the early Beist didn't have the intensity of taste which I hoped for, although its late fruit were sweet it was overall pretty mild. So we have plans to grow out more of the F2's looking for a lineup of Beistly candidates to trial against one another in the future. |
January 20, 2016 | #18 | |
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https://www.wordnik.com/words/nipper and no reference whatsoever to any use of the word "NIPPER" as a racial slur, nor does this perfectly decent word originate in the manner you suggested from derogations of "Nippon". You are mistaken. In the case of the name "Black Nipper" I'm using it in the nautical sense, that is a short rope, and refers to the grippy foliage which I mentioned above. I hope that sets your mind at ease. |
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January 20, 2016 | #19 |
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Black Slicer data
You can see from the picture below that there was some uneven ripening damage on Indian Stripe as well. And in the circumstances, it was lacking its outstanding taste as well. So although I have to judge the taste of all the fruit, I know that some favourites were not at their best either.
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January 20, 2016 | #20 |
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Did you cross randomly or are you trying to achieve a specific collection of traits?
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January 20, 2016 | #21 | |
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It is not worth the effort to grow anything rated more than 80 DTM or 'midseason' here, and those would be late and possibly too late for us depending on the specific variety and the season. We need tomatoes that will set happily at temperatures between 60 and 70 F. You may have noticed that there are lots of small red varieties for early season... not so many blacks or tangerines or hearts or... although there certainly are some great OP's, I am always looking for the best to try. |
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January 20, 2016 | #22 |
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Very cool, I wish you luck and nice looking tomatoes so far.
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January 20, 2016 | #23 |
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Champs of earliness: Stupice X Black Cherry F2
I can't say enough good about Stupice as a parent. All the great traits, earliness, vigour, trouble-free foliage, reliable set, were passed on and the weak trait - taste only so-so for me - didn't bite at all. Out of six F2 plants there was only one that didn't have better than average fruit - a small black cherry on the sour side. My best surprise was a multilocule little flat pink that I'm calling Kitten Paws Pink. I had forgotten that pink was in the cards at all, and this one was so tasty and sweet... I love it. Only one defect, the fruit are so thin skinned, the ripe ones burst when the pressure went up on a thundery day.
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January 20, 2016 | #24 |
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More early champs: Kimberley X Zolotye Kupola F2
The segregation for this cross was not as I expected. The precocious flowering trait from Kimberley is recessive, so I expected 1/4 to be precocious. I only grew four plants of it, and three of four were early flowering similar to Kimberley. The fourth was a suspected Goblet mutant which indeed was dwarfed and slow growing, flowering later. Two caveats for this observation: I didn't have Kimberley this year for a side by side for comparison, and I guess with a small number of plants it could be chance. I will have to grow more to see if there's really anything unusual happening with the cross.
The three normal plants also retained a trait I saw in the F1 - short internodes and a nice concentrated set of fruit. Also, like the F1, red fruit ripened yellow first, then orange and finally red. The ripening process is a little slow, and they were at their best when fully ripe. Meanwhile the colours of the fruit ripening on the vine reminded me of Lifesavers - the candy, not the flotation device. It was a lovely sight in our cold and glum spring. |
January 20, 2016 | #25 |
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Hope's Early
Although the main goal of this cross was to find an earlier Zolotye Kupola type yellow heart to grow for my Mom, I decided to grow forward this earliest PL red heart. All of the F2's were on the small side, thin skinned and juicy and on the soft side. The flavour is nice, not a big wow but certainly welcome at that time of season - a week earlier than Moravsky Div. And it's a pretty fruit.
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January 20, 2016 | #26 |
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Best taster: Yellow Warbler: Medovaya Kaplya X Kim Kupola F1
I grew two plants of this cross between Medovaya Kaplya and the KimberlyXZolotye Kupola F1 and got one PL, one RL, one red grape shape and one yellow long shape. Both were tasty with the perfect texture, but the yellow was great. I called it the Yellow Warbler after the small birds that nest around my mother's garden, because of the odd blend of green, yellow and very dark yellow that spreads from the stem end very slowly engulfing the fruit. These were quite good at the early stage, even with a bit of green on them, and it wasn't until later in the season some high on the vine got away from me and fully ripened that dark colour. I expected them to be 'overripe' but instead they were fantastically tangy and rich.
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January 20, 2016 | #27 |
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Some disappointments... of course
My cross of Rozoviy Flamingo Heart and Al Kuffah produced some lovely looking set of green fruit, and even some nice looking ripe ones although the earliest had some uneven ripening. I grew a dozen plants and was really impressed with the foliage health of all of them at the seedling stage, but the promise of disease resistance didn't pan out under our grim 2015 realities. They were very pest resistant, so time will tell if the pests make me reconsider this line or possibly using it in a cross with something earlier and better tasting.
I could always pretend these were tasty, but it isn't true. Maybe in a warmer year or a warmer climate.. or maybe they're just what I think, very ordinary red tomatoes and not very early. No plans to grow again but I will share the eye candy. |
January 20, 2016 | #28 |
Tomatovillian™
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I am so impressed with what you are doing! Wonderful photography too
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January 20, 2016 | #29 |
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Not much hope for Eva Purple Ball
These also were a sad story. Darrell's KimberleyXEPB F2 produced a PL with early full set and ripened a gorgeous glowing pink. So exciting, and then a big letdown, to find they were completely tasteless and not a nice texture at all. Dutch's MEPBBBX barely produced a handful of fruit. And my F1 of EPB X PI 120256, as expected, a scanty handful of late and small fruit. The hard truth, it seems that Eva Purple Ball is not a good parent for the cold and gloomy north atlantic. Although those pink ones were bright enough to light your way through the greenhouse jungle.
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January 20, 2016 | #30 |
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Thanks Karen and MendozaMark too, for your interest.
It's a great learning experience, as I'm sure you'll agree Karen. The surprise factor is also quite a thrill. |
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