Sungold OP substitute?

amideutch · November 2, 2007

What OP cherry tomato variety comes closest to Sungold in taste and production? Ami

shelleybean · November 2, 2007

If you go to www.mariseeds.com and look in the cherry section, there is a listing there for one called "Orange Cherry." She says she believes this is the OP version of Sungold, but I have not grown it myself so I wouldn't swear to it. Has anyone grown both and compared?

Soilsniffer · November 2, 2007

Gold Nugget is OP, isn't it? Trouble is, there're so few seeds in each one, I don't bother to save 'em, just go buy 'em when my stash runs low.

Sungold and Gold Nugget are very similar; I'll bet Sungold has a Gold Nugget parent in its lineage.

J

**carolyn137** · November 2, 2007

Ami, have you grown Reinhard Kraft's Sungold Select and Sungold Select II? Both are OP.

amideutch · November 2, 2007

Carolyn, no I havn't but will definately check them out. This is the reason I started this thread to see what was out there.
shelleybean, soilsniffer, thanks for the inputs. Ami

**tomatoaddict** · November 2, 2007

Ami,
From my understanding from Craig and others, R.Kraft has invested alot of time into de-hybridizing Sun Gold F1. I have all of them I'm pretty sure. There is even a Red SG Select.
Craig knows alot about it. But I think he told me that the Sun Gold Select II is the closest to the original.

feldon30 · November 2, 2007

And I was just about to place an order for Sungold F1 and Carmen F1 (sweet pepper) from TGS...

**carolyn137** · November 2, 2007

But I think he told me that the Sun Gold Select II is the closest to the original.

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It's not just Craig's opinion for almost everyone I know of who has grow both Sungold Select and Sungold Select II thinks that the latter is closest to F1 Sungold.

Many folks have tried to dehybridize Sungold F1 and results have varied widely. One of the parental inputs is a red currant tomato which breeds in the flat truss trait of almost all flat trait truss varieties, but many many folks end up getting red selections from their dehybridizations.

**tomatoaddict** · November 2, 2007

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It's not just Craig's opinion for almost everyone I know of who has grow both Sungold Select and Sungold Select II thinks that the latter is closest to F1 Sungold.

That is probably correct Carolyn, I couldn't remember.

**Lee** · November 4, 2007

Last year (06) I grew SG Select II from a plant Craig gave me.
His produced red cherries and mine produced sun gold like fruit.
I saved seed and grew it again this year, and got the sungold like fruit again.
Same results from a volunteer plant that popped up where SG Sel II was in 06.

So, in comparing SG, SG Sel, and SG Sel II at Tomatopalooza[tm], I can tell you
that SG Sel II is the closest to SG that I've found.
It's still missing that fruity taste that can be found in SG, but it's still good.
One of my co-workers likes SG Sel II better than SG because it has more of a
traditional tomato flavor to it.

My kids like them both!

Lee

Suze · November 4, 2007

The Select II is the closest to Sungold to my tastebuds. However, Sungold F1 is still my pick for taste (as long as "they" keep producing the seeds). Wouldn't be without it.

November 2, 2007	#1
amideutch Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Germany 49°26"N 07°36"E Posts: 5,041	Sungold OP substitute? What OP cherry tomato variety comes closest to Sungold in taste and production? Ami __________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘...Holy Crap .....What a ride!'

November 2, 2007	#2
shelleybean Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 2,648	If you go to www.mariseeds.com and look in the cherry section, there is a listing there for one called "Orange Cherry." She says she believes this is the OP version of Sungold, but I have not grown it myself so I wouldn't swear to it. Has anyone grown both and compared? __________________ Michele

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Soilsniffer Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: z7, Richmond VA Posts: 187	Gold Nugget is OP, isn't it? Trouble is, there're so few seeds in each one, I don't bother to save 'em, just go buy 'em when my stash runs low. Sungold and Gold Nugget are very similar; I'll bet Sungold has a Gold Nugget parent in its lineage. J __________________ Identifying garlic is done mostly by consensus. Many are like trying to identify the difference between twins.

November 2, 2007	#4
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	Ami, have you grown Reinhard Kraft's Sungold Select and Sungold Select II? Both are OP. __________________ Carolyn

November 2, 2007	#5
amideutch Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Germany 49°26"N 07°36"E Posts: 5,041	Carolyn, no I havn't but will definately check them out. This is the reason I started this thread to see what was out there. shelleybean, soilsniffer, thanks for the inputs. Ami __________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘...Holy Crap .....What a ride!'

November 2, 2007	#6
tomatoaddict Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: zone 5 Posts: 1,459	Ami, From my understanding from Craig and others, R.Kraft has invested alot of time into de-hybridizing Sun Gold F1. I have all of them I'm pretty sure. There is even a Red SG Select. Craig knows alot about it. But I think he told me that the Sun Gold Select II is the closest to the original. __________________ Secretseedcartel.com

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feldon30 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2006 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 5,346	And I was just about to place an order for Sungold F1 and Carmen F1 (sweet pepper) from TGS... __________________ [SIZE="3"]I've relaunched my gardening website -- [B]TheUnconventionalTomato.com[/B][/SIZE] * [I][SIZE="1"]*I'm not allowed to post weblinks so you'll have to copy-paste it manually.[/SIZE][/I]

November 4, 2007	#10
Lee Tomatopalooza™ Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NC-Zone 7 Posts: 2,188	Last year (06) I grew SG Select II from a plant Craig gave me. His produced red cherries and mine produced sun gold like fruit. I saved seed and grew it again this year, and got the sungold like fruit again. Same results from a volunteer plant that popped up where SG Sel II was in 06. So, in comparing SG, SG Sel, and SG Sel II at Tomatopalooza[tm], I can tell you that SG Sel II is the closest to SG that I've found. It's still missing that fruity taste that can be found in SG, but it's still good. One of my co-workers likes SG Sel II better than SG because it has more of a traditional tomato flavor to it. My kids like them both! Lee __________________ Intelligence is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing not to put one in a fruit salad. Cuostralee - The best thing on sliced bread.

November 4, 2007	#11
Suze Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 3,027	The Select II is the closest to Sungold to my tastebuds. However, Sungold F1 is still my pick for taste (as long as "they" keep producing the seeds). Wouldn't be without it.