Member discussion regarding the methods, varieties and merits of growing tomatoes.
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May 22, 2012 | #1 |
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Accidental crosses
I sowed a lot of varieties this year, and noticed a few seedlings that had different leaf forms from what should have been. I had a Grubs MG with RL, 2 BW suddeth with RL and several others. I am tempted to grow out the 2 BWS, but don't want to waste garden space for the unkown. What are the odds of these F1's being really tasty? Neighboring plant possibilities are Juane Flammee, Black Cherry, and a couple others. Any one care to share their experience in growing out surprise seedlings? I will not save seeds and don't want to carry it further, just want to know if they are worth growing for the table.
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A couple of examples. OTV Brandywine was from an accidental crooss in Craig L's garden, the female parent was Yellow Brandywine but no way to know what the pollen parent was, and it took me out to the F5 before it was a stable OP. One of three plants of Cherokee Green that I put out had almost white tomatoes and they were the most awful tasting fruits and I never even saved seeds. And look at all the great varieties that resulted form the accidental cross in Craig's garden between Brandywine and Tad? Little Lucky, Lucky Cross and several more, but it took a lot of time and garden space to grow out those initial saved seeds and make selections to see what the possibilities were. Each year I would dig up 10 volunteers from my main tomato fieled and transplant them to a side garden to see if I could ID them. Some were varieties I could ID, some were not, some were great tasting, some not. I never worked with those b'c it was just a fun thing that I did for myself. So it's pot luck, and you can't even make guesses as to what crossed with what , except you should know at least the female parent, b'c insect pollinators are known to fly up to a mile or so. Just curious but where did you get all those accidental crosses from? Commercial sources, trading seeds, your own garden, etc.?
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May 23, 2012 | #3 |
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Kenny I to have gotten RL seedlings from Grubs Mystery green and there are PL and RL versions out there. We had a member maybe 5 years back get a BW Suddeth RL that was subsequently grown out and named Big Cheef. Marianas Peace was another that threw out a RL and was named Mariana's Conflict which I have also grown.
If you have the space grow out the RL's and see what you get. If not go with correct leaf type and at least you know what to expect. Ami
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May 23, 2012 | #4 |
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Carolyn, The brandywines were my saved seed, and I know how stray seeds can fall into the wrong cell when sowing, or show up in a wrong packet, the little devils . Or even a wrong label during the tedious job of potting up hundereds of plants. But I had 2 of the BW RL, soooo. Out of 800 plants I noticed maybe 5-6, one was a kimberley , seeds from erlyberd. The rest were probably trades, I didn't keep track and tossed most of them. I had even planted the Grubs MG yesterday before I noticed it was RL. I guess I was thinking of some of the F1 hybrids that are really good, and wondered if all F1's have good flavor of the 2 parents, and not til F2 that things go haywire. Thanx for the advice, Carolyn. I think I will toss them and use the space for what I know is good,
kj PS: After baby sitting 800 plants the last couple months, I am finding it easier to commit tomatocide, at least plants that have some kind of problem. Last edited by kenny_j; May 23, 2012 at 07:50 AM. Reason: add |
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Thanx for the reply Ami, your post appeared as I was typing my last one. I don't have the gardening years left in me , nor the desire to grow out for stabilization, and I am growing a lot of PL plants, cause I get septoria every year, and they seem to do so much better, plus all that photosynthesis!! OK, time for me to hit the garden and PLANT!!!
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May 23, 2012 | #8 |
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Well, dang it! Thanks for posting that thread. Sounds like IF what I have really is in some way related to Big Cheef, it's not the best version. Since I have no way of knowing what F gen it is, it's all clear as mud anyway.
Guess I will have to try a bit harder to get the real one.
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