Kraini Sever - North Pole - КРАЙНИЙ СЕВЕР

[Frog]

I've had some seeds kicking around in my collection for some years and I can't for the life of me recall where they came from. I've sown some, which have germinated just fine, but I have no idea what to expect.

The packet is hand labelled Kraini Sever - North Pole - КРАЙНИЙ СЕВЕР, has anyone ever heard of these?

I assume they're Russian in origin.

[akgardengirl]

Check it out on Tatiana's Tomato Base:
http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Krainiy_Sever
Sue
I hope this link highlights...I really don't know how to make that happen if it didn't.

[Frog]

Thank you Sue.

I did search there but was using a different transliteration of the Cyrillic.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Frog

I've had some seeds kicking around in my collection for some years and I can't for the life of me recall where they came from. I've sown some, which have germinated just fine, but I have no idea what to expect.

The packet is hand labelled Kraini Sever - North Pole - КРАЙНИЙ СЕВЕР, has anyone ever heard of these?

I assume they're Russian in origin.

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Krainiy_Sever

....from Tania's data base and yes, a Russian Commercial variety and her translation from the Russian is different from what you have.

[carolyn137]

So three minutes apart in posting between the two of us and at least we used the same link.

[Frog]

Now I have the transliteration 'Krainiy Sever' I have found there is loads of information right here on tomatoville.

Again, thank you, everyone.

[Frog]

I have a couple of plants of North Pole, but they are showing unexpected segregation, as the pictures show. The first plant is very stout and thick stemmed with more rugose leaves, as well as being quite pubescent and having dark green leaves. The second plant is about the same height, though it is younger, has pale leaves is less rugose, less hairy and even smells different.

Interesting. Stray seed, stray pollen, heterozygous seed?

I've no idea what this tomato is meant to look like.

[Frog]

Is the first plant, above, showing dwarf like characteristics?

[carolyn137]

I don't know if Tania got her Extreme North from Andrey or through other connections but Andrey first listed it in 2007 in the SSE Yearbook and here are the salient points he makes.

The name is translated as Extreme North

It is det, compact plant with thick stem, bears red fruits 60-70 grams

very cold tolerant

Suitable for growing in zones 3-4

Commercial Russian variety.

Andrey says nothing about it being a dwarf variety. If it were the leaves would be rugose, as most dwarf varieties are, and yes, most dwarfs also have thick stems.

[dice]

The first seedling picture looks like a rugose leaf dwarf type
to me. Grunt's picture in the TOMATObase shows a plant that
is very short but the leaves do not look rugose to me:

http://tatianastomatobase.com/w/imag...iniy_Sever.jpg

Compare the Krainiy Sever leaves in Grunt's picture with the
leaves in his picture of Coastal Pride Orange, which definitely
has the dwarf type rugose leaves and thick stems:

http://tatianastomatobase.com/w/imag...ide_Orange.jpg