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Old December 4, 2007   #16
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I'm working with Sungold x Jaune Flammee for the second year as in F2. Got early golfball-sized yellow/golds already.
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Old December 4, 2007   #17
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Since I have used Sun Golds, Sun Sugars, and other similar varieties in breeding over the years, I will simply concur that variety development with progress nicely with others doing theses crosses and grow-outs.

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Wow, this is an old thread! Tormato, did any one ever grow any of these out? I'd love to grow out black cherry x sungold if no one ever did.

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I received, in trade, a few seeds of...

Black Cherry x Sungold
Black Cherry x (Sungold x Juliet)
Sungold x Mom's
Sungold x Romeo
Sungold x Green Grape
(Sungold x Juliet) x Floche
Sungold x ((Sungold x Juliet) x Floche)
(Sungold x Juliet) x (Sungold x Green Grape)

Would anyone like to grow them?

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Old August 20, 2009   #19
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Check out Tania's site for Sungold x Mom's

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Sungold_X_Mom%27s
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Check out Tania's site for Sungold x Mom's

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Sungold_X_Mom%27s
Nice! Thanks for the tip.
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I have so many segregating clones with Sun Gold in the background, that it would take me a while to catalog them. Most of the time when I get some good lines with the gold colors, I still get filial generations of reds showing up. I can have the dominant gold carry on for a few years and Presto! ---1/4 of a progeny turns red.

That is where I was at with the following variety I listed fecently at Tania's site:

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This is the name I am attaching to some F-3 seed of the cross of Grushovka X (Green Zebra x F-1 Sun Gold).
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Old November 24, 2009   #22
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hi everyone -
I have a cross now of SunGold back to l. hirsutum (a wild tomato) which shows some promise. A small gold cherry, it has the highest Brix levels I've found in tomatoes. The foliage is small and crinkled, very dark green, with a strong, spicy scent. No problems with disease in a tough year and it is still producing with temperatures dropping into the 30's briefly at night in the greenhouse. The second generation is now started and hopefully I'll get fruit before spring. It has been cold the last month, but I've kept coals going in the belly of the old wood stove out there.

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hi everyone -
I have a cross now of SunGold back to l. hirsutum (a wild tomato) which shows some promise. A small gold cherry, it has the highest Brix levels I've found in tomatoes. The foliage is small and crinkled, very dark green, with a strong, spicy scent. No problems with disease in a tough year and it is still producing with temperatures dropping into the 30's briefly at night in the greenhouse. The second generation is now started and hopefully I'll get fruit before spring. It has been cold the last month, but I've kept coals going in the belly of the old wood stove out there.
This sounds very promising. Please keep us posted!
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Old November 25, 2009   #24
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How high are the brix numbers on that hybrid. I've had sungold F1 reach 13..

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Old November 25, 2009   #25
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And Goodwin, isn't L. hirsutsum one that gives high brix on its own? I think I read where it's been used to raise brix in cherry hybrids.
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Old November 25, 2009   #26
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Well, the field-grown ones ranged from 11.9 to about 13.4, better on average than the SunGolds I had. Hirsutum has high levels of soluble solids - about 55-65% of which are sugars. It may also be monogenic for sucrose accumulation (rather than reducing sugars).
Unfortunately, after all my big talk, the temperature dropped down to 12F last night and the foliage on the plants I had in the greenhouse was a very deep shade of green this morning. So no more fruit for a bit until the seedlings I've started begin to produce. Sad picture below - wish I had taken a photo the day before, because the leaves are quite unusual.
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If you are looking for something to raise the brix level, I would look at using Aunt Molly's. The problem is I don't know if they would cross with a plain tomato or what you would get because of the husk involved.

I mention them because we grow them every year and they will survive light frosts. This year while the plants were long froze, we picked up good edible fruit recently. They had survived many frosts and 2 hard freezes of 26* and 27*. No not all the fruit was good, but a decent amount was still quite good. The only reason I can think that they weren't mush like all the other tomatoes out in the field is the fact that they are so high in sugar plus that little husk protection.

A cross, if it worked, would also add some "fruitiness" that is characteristic of Aunt Molly's too. They have a flavor that is hard to pin down. When they are fully ripe I think they taste like cherry - pineapple. But when less than fully ripe they can taste like plum, or citrus with a hint of tomato for some people.

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Old November 26, 2009   #28
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Carol, I think a tomato fruit's relative potential to resist cold damage may be on account of pectin content but maybe sugar level plays a role. I really don't know.
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Well whatever it is, those Aunt Molly's seem to have plenty to keep them decent long beyond the rest of my stuff.

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Same family, different genus. I think the chromosome number of ground cherries is the same, however, plants produce proteins which block pollination by even close related species.

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