Lycopersicon peruvianum

[goodwin]

Yes, I think the answer is clear : ) and I will grow it out this summer. Right now summer seems a long ways off - down to zero tonight.
Lee

[Raymondo]

It's a pain reading new posts in a thread only to find that they're not related to the original post. I'll start a new thread on L. peruvianum. You guys can have this one!

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Raymondo

It's a pain reading new posts in a thread only to find that they're not related to the original post. I'll start a new thread on L. peruvianum. You guys can have this one!

Ray, it isn't at all unusual for a thread to divert from the original topic, it happens all the time.

I looked back to see when the thread did turn and it did so when I answered a question posed by Dennis. So if it helps, I apologize.

So let's let any further posts in this thread deal with the species, peruvianum in particular, for I see no need to start a new thread which then leaves the important information given to you already behind in this thread.

[Raymondo]

You're right Carolyn. It does happen all the time. Forgive a grumpy old man!

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Raymondo

You're right Carolyn. It does happen all the time. Forgive a grumpy old man!

I understand but sheesh, you're where it's warm and lovely and I'm where the snow is deep and we're heading into the deep freeze starting tomorrow and my car is in the garage and the battery is in the house and I'm in the house with it for my enforced winter cabin fever season b'c the walker doesn't like the snow and ice.

And now back to our regular programming.

[mtbigfish]

Hey I'll take the heat read Toms responses and asked question about his training because of his depth of knowledge I have always wondered more on his background and remembered the clear epidermis Verde Claro and also ? about Green Doctors

Sorry guys - I diverted the thread - I have a tendency to do that because my thought start to take off on other tangents and I lose my focus
Dennis

"Montana Big Fish"

[goodwin]

Raymondo, I am curious about your interest in this species. After all, there are only a handful of people outside the commercial labs and the universities working with it. Are you hoping to transfer some trait to other tomatoes?
Lee

[Raymondo]

Are you hoping to transfer some trait to other tomatoes?

No Lee. I got some seeds of Lycopersicon peruvianum some years back from Luc Fichot of Belgium. It was kind of a moment of nostalgia I guess that made me decide to grow some. A kind of thank you and acknowledgement of Luc's passing. Seems corny when I write it down. But there it is.
On a less sombre note, there is a local tomato, Burnley Bounty, that has some L. peruvianum genes in it. It was developed 50 or 60 years ago by vegetable breeder Helgi Nirk who worked for one of our state Departments of Agriculture. She crossed it with Grosse Lisse. I haven't been able to find out what her intention was. I guess, though, that this tomato might cross more readily with L. peruvianum given that it has some of the genes already.
I have other Lycopersicon species that I would like to play around with. One in particular, L. humboldtii, is said to confer the multiflora trait (lots and lots of flowers) so that would be a good one to cross into my favourite tomatoes.

[goodwin]

That is a good thing you are doing. Perhaps you will get enough seed to share.
I'd like to hear how your crosses to humboldtii work. I was thinking about trying something similar with several of the cherries I've bred.
Lee

[goodwin]

Here is a photo of one of the peruvianum crosses at 36 days from seed. The leaflets along the branches, the stem color,
and the sprouting at branches in the main stem (which isn't visible in the photo) remind me a lot of glandalosum.
However, it is a much sturdier plant with and we're getting buds a lot earlier.

[DanishGardener]

Have anyone here tried to make crosses with L. chilense?
I'm growing it next year (mostly as a novelty), and it could be interesting to make a cross.
Is it difficult to cross the wild species with modern cultivars?

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by DanishGardener

Have anyone here tried to make crosses with L. chilense?
I'm growing it next year (mostly as a novelty), and it could be interesting to make a cross.
Is it difficult to cross the wild species with modern cultivars?

Please look at posts 2 thru 5 where Tom Wagner has discussed this in some detail.

[DanishGardener]

I did read them, but he is writing about L. peruvianum. I wonder if L. chilense is also self-imcompatible?

I am also wondering if it would even be possible to cross L. chilense with a large fruited variety, for example a Brandywine type?
If so, wich should be used as the female?

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by DanishGardener

I did read them, but he is writing about L. peruvianum. I wonder if L. chilense is also self-imcompatible?

I am also wondering if it would even be possible to cross L. chilense with a large fruited variety, for example a Brandywine type?
If so, wich should be used as the female?

L. peruvianum is crossed to L. chilense fairly easily but not to our cultivated types..

... which Tom wrote and peruvianaum and chilense are in the same complex

http://kdcomm.net/~tomato/Tomato/pcomplx.html

The above link is about chilense and no, it doesn't cross easily with our garden tomatoes.

if you go to the Home Page of this website, which is Ketih Mueller's excellent site, and then click on THE Tomato you'll find out a lot about tomato taxonomy that will lead you to the page I linked to to.

So have some fun reading there b'c there's lots of information and links.

[DanishGardener]

Thank you for that link Carolyn, that was very informative!
I have visited Keith's wonderful website before, but I have never read that page you linked to.

Looks like the odds are not to good.. oh well, it will still make a pretty ornamental