Hold on the vine varieties....

[BlackBear]

Hi all,

I have been thinking of trying not to waste by having more varieties that

have exceptional "hold on the vine ready " attribute.

Not to be confused with "longkeeperness " I suppose it is a related attribute .

(Longkeeper is another format and type of commitment .)


But Keeping on the vine ready to pick / utilize longer ...but not going soft or

overripe Spreading out the fresh use "Window" harvest means more tomatoes used with less plants and less resources wasted.

I guess not to hard/thick skin and not to thin soft etc.

I think that is a kind of way to extend harvest and available use of fresh off vine tomatoes .


I Find that Hybrids Juliet and La Roma hold on vine and after picking quite well.


also Hybrid big beef not bad either for "hold on vine " etc.



Zluta Kytice seems to hold on vine for use quite long ..


small ones like :

Puck

Yaponskiy karlik


Unikalnyi

Budai Torpe


Chibbiko

yellow Pygmy

Suprisingly …...Franklin County (Dwarf project ) holds on vine ready for extended fresh pick quite well ...real cute mini beefsteaks .




Does anybody recommend some varieties that would be extended hold on the vine in good condition types ???

[BlackBear]

Maglia rosa was pretty good for holding on vine as well ….

[Fred Hempel]

Interesting.

In our field, Maglia Rosa is now a strikingly poor shelf-life tomato (both on and off the vine).

We don't even put it in the general boxes these days, because most of our newer cherry tomatoes have much better shelf-life and Maglia Rosa ends up being the tomato that goes overripe when the rest of the box is in great shape.

Originally Posted by BlackBear

Maglia rosa was pretty good for holding on vine as well ….

[Tormato]

I have no idea what a hold on the vine tomato would be.

My pull off the vine when almost ripe approach doesn't allow for it.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Tormato

I have no idea what a hold on the vine tomato would be.

My pull off the vine when almost ripe approach doesn't allow for it.

IMO a holds well on the vine means that they LOOK ripe for the variety,but are as hard as a rock.

Usually F1 hybrids.

And they sit there laughing at you trying to pick them the way most would pick OP varieties.

Carolyn

[BlackBear]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

IMO a holds well on the vine means that they LOOK ripe for the variety,but are as hard as a rock.

Usually F1 hybrids.

And they sit there laughing at you trying to pick them the way most would pick OP varieties.

Carolyn

LOL I actually tried RED ROCK this year and it sure was blemish free

on the outside …….but a little to much "Red Rock " for me ...even

I might try it again ….but it was a bit to thick of skin for what my

"Quest " was looking for ….

[BlackBear]

Originally Posted by Fred Hempel

Interesting.

In our field, Maglia Rosa is now a strikingly poor shelf-life tomato (both on and off the vine).

We don't even put it in the general boxes these days, because most of our newer cherry tomatoes have much better shelf-life and Maglia Rosa ends up being the tomato that goes overripe when the rest of the box is in great shape.

hmmmmm

so which of variety of cherries hold well on the vines and box better than maglia rosa..


if you can name some OP that are as good as Juliet hybrid ….I am keen to

find them ..

[Fred Hempel]

Most of our cherries that hold better (on and off the vine) are not OP. Many are works in progress and are not yet finished, or available.

Madera will be available again later this fall. Right now it is our best cherry tomato combining flavor and shelf-life.

Originally Posted by BlackBear

hmmmmm

so which of variety of cherries hold well on the vines and box better than maglia rosa..


if you can name some OP that are as good as Juliet hybrid ….I am keen to

find them ..

[BlackBear]

Originally Posted by Fred Hempel

Most of our cherries that hold better (on and off the vine) are not OP. Many are works in progress and are not yet finished, or available.

Madera will be available again later this fall. Right now it is our best cherry tomato combining flavor and shelf-life.

Hey thanks ...more tips and hints to research and try and find the ones to use !


I know I will not be able to try them all .. so the info. and tips are much appreciated !

[Nan_PA_6b]

BlackBear, this year I grew some of the Spanish "hanging" varieties that ripen very slowly and hold on the vine very well. In fact, if you're going to use them for fresh eating, it is recommended to leave them on the vine 2 weeks after they are ripe. The two varieties that performed best for me in this regard were Flor de Artana and Ramallet Ibiza Blanca. They're also drought-loving.

Nan

[BlackBear]

Originally Posted by Nan_PA_6b

BlackBear, this year I grew some of the Spanish "hanging" varieties that ripen very slowly and hold on the vine very well. In fact, if you're going to use them for fresh eating, it is recommended to leave them on the vine 2 weeks after they are ripe. The two varieties that performed best for me in this regard were Flor de Artana and Ramallet Ibiza Blanca. They're also drought-loving.

Nan

oh wow nan..

I don't suppose these are early as well ?

Interesting types ...for hanging culture with water restrictions etc.

[Nan_PA_6b]

Originally Posted by BlackBear

oh wow nan..

I don't suppose these are early as well ?

Interesting types ...for hanging culture with water restrictions etc.

It's not so much that they ripen early, but you can pick them at first blush and they ripen slowly and keep very long, if not blemished.

For earliness and quicker ripening, the variety Ramallet des Figural was good, but mine weren't blemish-free, so didn't keep long.

Of the others, Flor de Artana was the earliest for me. Ibiza Blanca and Ramallet San Llorens might be earlier but my seedlings had so many problems that they were planted out a month late. These 3 had unblemished fruit.

My mother each have Flor de Artana hanging in our basements; they're taking a long time to ripen.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Nan_PA_6b

BlackBear, this year I grew some of the Spanish "hanging" varieties that ripen very slowly and hold on the vine very well. In fact, if you're going to use them for fresh eating, it is recommended to leave them on the vine 2 weeks after they are ripe. The two varieties that performed best for me in this regard were Flor de Artana and Ramallet Ibiza Blanca. They're also drought-loving.

Nan

I think you are referring to de colgar varieties. I've grown several of them,mainly from Paco in Spain.

With few exceptions the taste isn't there,for me and also some others.

They were developed when the Spanish got back from Mexico, it took a couple of centuries to develop them and they were developed before there were any refrigerators, so were hung from beams in a basement or shed out back.

https://www.google.com/search?q=de+c...&bih=815&dpr=1

Carolyn

[BlackBear]

I guess another way to say this is " long utilization option " tomatoes

Long keeping for fresh pick on vine and long keeping after picking.


hopefully early ….but due to less spoilage ...less mess ..less waste .


I guess they tend to be small and blemish free etc.


Thick skins varieties do not necessarily meet the specs...either .


Longkeepers can be just later utilization tomatoes when others are not available.


these are "long utilization " off vine types . ????

[Nan_PA_6b]

Yes, supposedly for months.