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January 22, 2017 | #1 |
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I keep reading that the products of the scion are genetically the same as if the plant weren't grafted. I'm sure there's a research project in there somewhere, but I would guess that if the rootstock were especially vigorous, efficient (with water and nutrient uptake) and didn't have to contend with the challenges of a less vigorous rootstock, it would result in the rest of the plant producing more vegetatively and reproductively.
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January 21, 2017 | #2 |
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To update I have seedlings up from my first sowing. I sowed more tonight including 12 rootstock seeds. About how many days until RST are usually ready to graft Bill?
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January 22, 2017 | #3 |
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I have a question for Bill (or anyone else with experience). When you do your grafting, how many do you make at one time? Since I'm new to this, I can either try grafting 'a bunch' and hope I'm doing it right (maybe losing the whole lot of them), OR, I could do fewer at once and see how it goes. If I lose just those few, I figure perhaps I could have some success with a little larger plants and a different approach a week or so later. What do you think?
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January 24, 2017 | #6 | |
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Usually they are in the box about a week but some of that is with the lid opened up a bit. Depending on how well they are doing and the weather they might come out much earlier or a bit later. Never used Big Boy or Better Boy as root stock but they should do fine. I think they have moderate soil born disease resistance but I'm not sure. Just for practicing any tomato will do. I used IS one time and they did great but I didn't plant them because they really don't have much disease tolerance like most heirlooms. Just checked my root stock seedlings and my scion seedlings that were planted a week earlier. The root stock seedlings have caught them and some are actually larger than my scions. Next time I may wait a full 10 days between planting them. Bill |
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The reason I ask is that I have a small clear plastic box of about 12" tall. It can accommodate about a dozen 4" pots. That should be enough for my experimental grafting intention.
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January 22, 2017 | #8 |
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I have 50 rootstock seeds and I'm doing 12 at a time. If the first 12 die I will likely practice with other varieties before trying with my rootstock seedlings again. I'm aiming for 50% success rate for my first try, but from what I have read/heard 20% is closer to the average for newbies.
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January 22, 2017 | #9 |
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My RST-04-106-T seeds arrived. I'm not sure I need to use all of them this year.
Has anyone used year-old seed? Was there much of a decrease in germination? Jeff |
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January 22, 2017 | #11 |
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Thank you for the information Bill.
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January 22, 2017 | #12 |
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As a first time grafter, for each plant I want to set out, how many root stock and scion seeds should I start?
This is what I'm grappling with right now. With non-grafted plants, I was down to two starting two seeds for every plant and almost always had two seedlings to choose from at plant out time. I have plenty of scion seeds and a good number of rootstock seeds, I just don't want to have a ton of extra seedlings that have to get tossed in the compost bin. But then everyone says to expect a higher failure rate with first-time grafts. |
January 25, 2017 | #13 |
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Expert grafting advise
Go to; agsyst.wsu.edu/graftingVegetables.html . Just stumbled on it in a search best advice and detailed videos I have seen anywhere.Grafting techniques, how to build healing chamber and day by day schedule on removing from chamber and more.
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January 25, 2017 | #14 |
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That is a much better explanation than most of the others I have seen. I started out using similar techniques myself and adapted my techniques to overcome some of the problems that cropped up as I learned and practiced. I only mist my plants during the time I have to leave my chamber open while doing the grafting. I will also mist them is I see too much wilting but I try not to over do it as I have damping off problems when there is too much moisture. It is kind of a balancing act that can't be explained perfectly. It does take some practice and adapting to the conditions at the time I am grafting. During the summer when I am grafting for fall or late summer plants the conditions are usually more difficult due to heat and fluctuating humidity.
I found also that I had much better results usually by placing the stems of both side by side and making the cut through both of them at the same time. This gives a much better match for the two stems than trying to free hand make a perfect cut on the potted plants and then match them up. Bill |
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