Black Pepper Tomato info...?? - Page 3

Andrey_BY · January 4, 2013

Kubinskiy Pertsevidnyi (Pepper-like from Cuba) is the right name for this tomato. It is called Kubinskiy Pertsevidnyi Chornyi and Kubinskiy Chornyi Peretz sometimes as well.
It has been known in Soviet times and said to have got a real Cuban origin since USSR and Cuba used to have very close relationships and many Soviet military-men served at Cuban Navy bases till mid 1990s with their families and brought different local seeds with them (including my wife's parents family).

And yes, we've got 3 commercial tomato varieties under the name Rozovyi Flamingo from 2 Russian and 1 Ukrainian seed companies with different shapes. All three are different varieties but with the same lovely name

Redbaron · January 4, 2013

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Originally Posted by bower

I received around 16 seeds of Black Pepper in Heather's seed swap, which are labelled Baker Creek 2012.
I have a lot of new varieties to try

and unless I can build a hoophouse or two, not enough space to grow them all in one year. So I'm not sure if I'll be growing this one in 2013, unless I gamble on a couple of plants outdoors.
I would be happy to send a half dozen seeds to Marina, for a side-by-side comparison with the 'Snickers' 'Cuban' 'Icicle' or similar 'Black Pepper' like tomatoes if you want to do it.
I would like to hear from anyone who has grown it, whether the Baker Creek 'Black Pepper' was early or late, tolerant of/resistant to cold or heat or disease, productive, tasty.

Marina was kind enough to send me Snickers in trade for Rutgers. I am trying for a side by side myself. I haven't gotten my Black Pepper in the mail from WillysWoodPile yet though. Starting to worry.

It's been a week. But I guess the holiday mail is slow.

Cuban and icicle I don't have and have no idea where to find.

January 4, 2013

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Originally Posted by Redbaron

Marina was kind enough to send me Snickers in trade for Rutgers. I am trying for a side by side myself. I haven't gotten my Black Pepper in the mail from WillysWoodPile yet though. Starting to worry.

It's been a week. But I guess the holiday mail is slow.

Cuban and icicle I don't have and have no idea where to find.

Sorry Scott, It must have slipped my mind. I will get them out tomorrow.

Redbaron · January 4, 2013

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Originally Posted by WillysWoodPile

Sorry Scott, It must have slipped my mind. I will get them out tomorrow.

No worries. These things happen. In fact I was slow to get Marina's 3 sources of Rutger's in the mail myself, although I finally did. First I had to wait till I got a couple different varieties of new seed, since what I had was getting old and had low germination. Then the first try to mail them I spilled coffee all over the envelope in the car on the way to the post office!

So I had to come back home and dry out the envelope and then didn't get a chance to get to the post office again for almost 2 weeks due to the holidays and a few more personal issues!

She is probably thinking I stiffed her!

But I didn't. These things happen. So I understand. Long as I have them before I start my seedlings.

MarinaRussian · January 5, 2013

Andrey, I have seen that picture before, and the one I have as "Snickers" is much smaller, but who knows, maybe it's just my growing conditions that effect the fruit size.

And yes, there are Rozoviy Flamingo plums, and there's a heart one from Popenko, which I recently got. There's another RF and it's pepper-shaped and striped.

The Ukrainian RF is a fat paste/heart one.

bower, I'm in the same situation you're in

but I'm willing to grow your Black Pepper, because the Russians have a "thing" for pepper-shaped tomatoes.

I also have 6 seeds of Kubinskiy Pertsevidniy and I got a hold of Pertsevidniy Cherniy from Denis Terentiev's collection.

http://happygarden.com.ua/published/...iy_cherniy.jpg

Scott, do you have room to grow them all out and compare? If so, I will send you some seeds.

P.S. Black Icicle is a totally different variety, it's a smooth elongated plum.

Redbaron · January 5, 2013

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Originally Posted by MarinaRussian

Andrey, I have seen that picture before, and the one I have as "Snickers" is much smaller, but who knows, maybe it's just my growing conditions that effect the fruit size.

And yes, there are Rozoviy Flamingo plums, and there's a heart one from Popenko, which I recently got. There's another RF and it's pepper-shaped and striped.

The Ukrainian RF is a fat paste/heart one.

bower, I'm in the same situation you're in

but I'm willing to grow your Black Pepper, because the Russians have a "thing" for pepper-shaped tomatoes.

I also have 6 seeds of Kubinskiy Pertsevidniy and I got a hold of Pertsevidniy Cherniy from Denis Terentiev's collection.

http://happygarden.com.ua/published/...iy_cherniy.jpg

Scott, do you have room to grow them all out and compare? If so, I will send you some seeds.

I have room. Did you wan't them compared? I most certainly can and it would be cool to settle it once and for all, but its up to you.

What would you like in trade?

MarinaRussian · January 5, 2013

That's great, Scott. We all want to know if they're the same variety or not. I will send them to you by next week.

What I want for trade? Hmmm, I think I'm packed for this season........ unless you have Purple Passion ( always seems like I need just one more, it's a disease

)

Redbaron · January 5, 2013

Well I don't have purple passion, so if you are set with tomatoes maybe some peppers? Or tomatillo? or even broccoli, lettuce, beets? Something like that?

MarinaRussian · January 5, 2013

Oh yes, I love peppers, too. That would be awesome. Thank you!

Redbaron · January 5, 2013

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Originally Posted by MarinaRussian

Oh yes, I love peppers, too. That would be awesome. Thank you!

Sweet? Mild? Hot? Super hot? 1 of each? I have over 20 types. Some only a few seeds...but others I have plenty.

MarinaRussian · January 5, 2013

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Originally Posted by Redbaron

Sweet? Mild? Hot? Super hot? 1 of each? I have over 20 types. Some only a few seeds...but others I have plenty.

I grow mostly sweet peppers, but it's up to you. Surprise me. Do you still have my address?

Redbaron · January 5, 2013

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Originally Posted by MarinaRussian

I grow mostly sweet peppers, but it's up to you. Surprise me. Do you still have my address?

Yes, I will PM you with some choices, so we don't end up spamming this thread.

Ahem we may have already!

MarinaRussian · January 5, 2013

Sorry guys, we're leaving now........

bower · January 5, 2013

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Originally Posted by MarinaRussian

Sorry guys, we're leaving now........

Eh, don't leave, one more! PM me your address Marina, and I'll send you the Baker Creek 'black pepper' seeds.

Iva · January 5, 2013

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Originally Posted by Andrey_BY

Kubinskiy Chornyi Peretz

YES, THAT IS IT! That is the name on the seed package from H. And they look just like that! I haven't been in contact with him, so can't say anything more about the variety though...

January 4, 2013	#31
Andrey_BY Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Minsk, Belarus, Eastern Europe (Zone 4a) Posts: 2,278	Kubinskiy Pertsevidnyi (Pepper-like from Cuba) is the right name for this tomato. It is called Kubinskiy Pertsevidnyi Chornyi and Kubinskiy Chornyi Peretz sometimes as well. It has been known in Soviet times and said to have got a real Cuban origin since USSR and Cuba used to have very close relationships and many Soviet military-men served at Cuban Navy bases till mid 1990s with their families and brought different local seeds with them (including my wife's parents family). And yes, we've got 3 commercial tomato varieties under the name Rozovyi Flamingo from 2 Russian and 1 Ukrainian seed companies with different shapes. All three are different varieties but with the same lovely name __________________ 1 kg=2.2 lb , 1 m=39,37 in , 1 oz=28.35 g , 1 ft=30.48 cm , 1 lb= 0,4536 kg , 1 in=2.54 cm , 1 l = 0.26 gallon , 0 C=32 F Andrey a.k.a. TOMATODOR Last edited by Andrey_BY; January 4, 2013 at 12:54 PM.

January 5, 2013	#35
MarinaRussian Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Russia Posts: 176	Andrey, I have seen that picture before, and the one I have as "Snickers" is much smaller, but who knows, maybe it's just my growing conditions that effect the fruit size. And yes, there are Rozoviy Flamingo plums, and there's a heart one from Popenko, which I recently got. There's another RF and it's pepper-shaped and striped. The Ukrainian RF is a fat paste/heart one. bower, I'm in the same situation you're in but I'm willing to grow your Black Pepper, because the Russians have a "thing" for pepper-shaped tomatoes. I also have 6 seeds of Kubinskiy Pertsevidniy and I got a hold of Pertsevidniy Cherniy from Denis Terentiev's collection. http://happygarden.com.ua/published/...iy_cherniy.jpg Scott, do you have room to grow them all out and compare? If so, I will send you some seeds. P.S. Black Icicle is a totally different variety, it's a smooth elongated plum. Last edited by MarinaRussian; January 5, 2013 at 12:51 AM.

January 5, 2013	#38
Redbaron Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 4,488	Well I don't have purple passion, so if you are set with tomatoes maybe some peppers? Or tomatillo? or even broccoli, lettuce, beets? Something like that? __________________ Scott AKA The Redbaron "Permaculture is a philosophy of working with, rather than against nature; of protracted & thoughtful observation rather than protracted & thoughtless labour; & of looking at plants & animals in all their functions, rather than treating any area as a single-product system." Bill Mollison co-founder of permaculture

January 5, 2013	#43
MarinaRussian Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Russia Posts: 176	Sorry guys, we're leaving now........ Last edited by MarinaRussian; January 5, 2013 at 01:20 AM.