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Old May 17, 2021   #1
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Default Medusa Hybrid

I was wondering if anyone in Tomatoville has tried their lycopersicum-worthy hands growing Medusa? If so what were your impressions? Thanks. Mark
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Old December 11, 2022   #2
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hi, mark

hey did you try it out?

I bought the seeds and planted out, but the weather this year was very poor so couldn't tell.
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Old December 11, 2022   #3
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This is the start of the description of "Medusa Hybrid Tomato" at Totally Tomatoes

A cross between Damsel Hybrid and Cherokee Purple. The perfect one slicer! Large purple fruits are juicy and acidic in flavor and have an heirloom appearance.

This makes no sense.

Crossing a hybrid with a True-breeding line does not result in a hybrid. Does anyone know who bred this variety?
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Old December 11, 2022   #4
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Hi, Fred.

I bought mine last year from Harris.

But I just tried to find the breeder of Medusa, and couldn't.

However Damsel F1 was bred by Dr. Jason Cavatorta of EarthWork Seed and is produced by Nipomo Native Seed in California.

Hope this helps.

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Old December 12, 2022   #5
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My point is simply that Medusa can in NO WAY be a cross between Damsel F1 and Cherokee Purple. It defies the laws of genetics.

And I have little interest in a variety, when whoever developed it can not even get one of their main sellers to accurately represent what the variety is.

No need to identify the parents. That is not necessary, but if you are going to identify them, it better make sense..
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Fred - can you explain what you mean by "it defies the laws of genetics " I'm not questioning your comment but just trying to bring clarity to it,thanks much.

As we all know ,a person and grow a Damsel F1 and any other tomato and cross pollinate them.

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Old December 12, 2022   #7
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Maybe Damsel is similar situation to Brandy Boy that is called a hybrid but we now know it's actually a stabilized plant thanks to TVille?
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Old December 12, 2022   #8
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Fred - can you explain what you mean by "it defies the laws of genetics " I'm not questioning your comment but just trying to bring clarity to it,thanks much.

As we all know ,a person and grow a Damsel F1 and any other tomato and cross pollinate them.
Yes. One can physically cross Damsel F1 to a true breeding line.

It does not make a hybrid. The genes from the Damsel F1 parent will segregate, and thus the pseudo-F1 will be genetically and phenotypically variable.

Basic Mendelian Genetics
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Maybe Damsel is similar situation to Brandy Boy that is called a hybrid but we now know it's actually a stabilized plant thanks to TVille?
I think this is quite likely
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Thanks for the explanation, that is very helpful for those that may not understand the basics,thanks Fred!
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Old December 12, 2022   #11
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Fred, have to call this one on details. Most corn hybrids are 4 way crosses where 4 inbred lines are used to produce a productive hybrid. The genetics are ((L1 X L2) X (L3 X L4)) Point being that it is still considered a hybrid even if only 3 parents are used to make the cross. ((L1 X L2) X (L3)) is a 3 way hybrid, and this tomato fits the description. On one point you are 100% correct. The offspring will vary significantly given that Damsel F1 contributes genetics from both parents.


Many tomato hybrids have very few reasons to grow the hybrid. Generally, a good flavored line is crossed with a disease resistant line such that the offspring are somewhat good flavored and somewhat disease resistant. Most of the commercial hybrids I've grown in the last 30 years were no better than some of the better heirlooms. Big Beef and Ramapo were exceptions in that both are significantly better producers of good flavored and disease resistant tomatoes.
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Old December 14, 2022   #12
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not seeing any F1 reference at West Coast Seeds, but they do want $10.29 for 10 seeds ..... priced like a hybrid
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Old December 15, 2022   #13
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And D knows, there is a gold heart out there, that she named Medusa, about a decade ago.
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