RL or PL?

[Nematode]

First and second images, Are they RL or PL?

[gardener022]

They are both PL. Different phenos. Let me know.

[Nematode]

Thanks for the reply,
I was pretty sure about the lower leaf, but the top confused me.
Both leaves are from the same plant, purchased as "Indian Stripe" from TGS in 2016.
I guess they don't distinguish IS from ISPL there.

[Father'sDaughter]

I would have said RL for both...? Curious as to why they would be defined as PL.

[JRinPA]

Originally Posted by Father'sDaughter

I would have said RL for both...? Curious as to why they would be defined as PL.

Same here.

[Nematode]

Ok we do not have a consensus.
Image 1 does not have deep indents in the leaf margin, which would indicate to my amateur eyes PL, but image 2 is different, I can't say if they are deep or shallow.

Hopefully more will chime in.

[Tormato]

Any experts, here? I not only look at leaf shape, but also how many leaves on a branch. My PL plants usually (always?) have fewer leaves per branch.

I wish I had a pic of my oddest plant this year. The best way I can describe it would be Talon Leaf.

[oakley]

RL me thinks. PL has a variant that has what I call, or have read called, the mitten
shape. A thumb of sorts but still smooth edges.

Though I am often wrong...

[jillian]

No expert here by any stretch, at first glance I thought 1st pic pl, 2nd pic rl. Now I am very curious!

[Nematode]

Originally Posted by oakley

RL me thinks. PL has a variant that has what I call, or have read called, the mitten
shape. A thumb of sorts but still smooth edges.

Though I am often wrong...

First pic is mittenesque, maybe doesn't show it the best.

[Nematode]

It is becoming clearer.
Stump of the world
Kbx
Bloody butcher
All look like this
That must be PL
Older leaves may get a little bit of a "thumb" but no serration or indents in the leaf margin.

Like Tormato said there are fewer leaves per compound leaf also.

So looks like first pics are of Indian Stripe RL (which is what was purchased) , with a potatoee older leaf?
After comparing I can see serrations in first pic, and it looks less potato like to me.

[Father'sDaughter]

Here's an example of "mittenesque" on one of my dwarf plants

[gorbelly]

I'm growing PL plants Green Giant, Galina's, and Japanese Black Trifele this year, and all have the "mitten" terminal leaflet as mature plants. I think that's actually the norm? The secondary leaflets are often completely smooth, i.e., no "thumbs". And when they were seedlings, the leaves had no "thumbs".

[JRinPA]

I've never looked that closely, but it sounds right. I have stump of the world and aunt ginny's purple, both PL, that I can check if I remember. Remote garden.

[gorbelly]

I think both pics in the original post are RL. For the first plant, more pics would be helpful, but that really looks like RL to me.