Cool Climate Tomatoes [again]

[333.okh]

Sorry HG..left out the "V"

So far it is still on the fast track, but Sokolades is right behind it. I was only going to plant PL leaf plants this year, but I have some that are still producing both. Sokolades is one. It has very heavy RL almost looking like PL.

Lithuanian is doing well. I would rate it a B or C+ where N.Pink is an A and Sokolades a B+.

[333.okh]

The V.Valley that I planted are 2/3 PL and the other third of the seedlings are a larger leafed RL.

[dice]

A few descriptions have Visitation Valley PL. Dave's Garden Plantfinder
has it RL. (7-oz red). Carolyn may or may not remember it (Cornell's
seed bank has her listed as the source for the accession, but no other
information about it.) Old SSE yearbooks might say what it should really
be by looking at the first year or two it was listed.

One place in Canada (that says PL) says it is cold-tolerant but not
really early (75-90 days).

I would guess that you have the PL version that a few commercial
places list, crossed with some unknown RL cultivar. Possibly neither
your PL plants nor the RL plants are the actual Visitation Valley,
depending on whether cross is F1, F2, etc, and whether the original
that was crossed was actually the correct leaf type for Visitation Valley
in the first place.

[333.okh]

nice huh? well we will see how it grows

[gill_s]

Could someone please translate some abbreviations.

I have searched this thread and can find no clues as to JBT and SAP. Is SP Stupice? That is a possibility! NAR is easy because the first reference to it is actually given with it's full name.

[habitat_gardener]

Originally Posted by gill_s

Could someone please translate some abbreviations.

I have searched this thread and can find no clues as to JBT and SAP. Is SP Stupice? That is a possibility! NAR is easy because the first reference to it is actually given with it's full name.

THe glossary thread tells all (except SP!):

http://www.tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=5317

[gill_s]

Thank you for that! Maybe someone can solve the mystery of SP!

[Sherry_AK]

In my garden it means Siberian Pink ... but I'm guessing that's not the common usage.

[gill_s]

Apolgies to erlybird!

I had requested a translation of abbreviations, saying that I could find no reference to the full name of SP.

I was very pleased to be given the link to the 'Glossary' thread, which will be very useful, but that it was missing SP.

I have since reread the earlier part of this (cold climate tomatoes) thread and seen that erlybird did give it's full name and it is Stupice.

[333.okh]

Sokolades is a real nice plant...no tomatoes yet, but 30 plus flowers per plant and only two feet tall so far.

Leaves are like a potato leaf, but in a RL arrangement.

[dice]

Note that of those five that I listed, only Victoria has set a fruit
so far. A strong, robust plant in cool weather does not necessarily
translate to earlier flowering or fruit set.

What have actually been setting fruit are Sasha's Altai and Early
Rouge (we had a couple of weeks of 70F+ weather around the
first of July; those two both set multiple fruits). A scattering of others
have a fruit or two set.

[333.okh]

Originally Posted by dice

Note that of those five that I listed, only Victoria has set a fruit
so far. A strong, robust plant in cool weather does not necessarily
translate to earlier flowering or fruit set.

What have actually been setting fruit are Sasha's Altai and Early
Rouge (we had a couple of weeks of 70F+ weather around the
first of July; those two both set multiple fruits). A scattering of others
have a fruit or two set.

Agreed, but I have no less than 50 flowers per plant and all of them have set at least one fruit so far other than Bloody Butcher

[333.okh]

Well not only did I plant WAY WAY WAY too close but I have a run or Late Blight going through the plants now. I guess I was testing to see who does best with it as well??? Sokolades is not one of the best. My plants are all between 5-7 feet tall now, but I have thirty plants in a 350 sq ft area with a walk way. They are all touching now and a true jungle even though I have them head pruned on 4 feet stakes.

Each plant have between 12-60 tomatoes started on it.

Pics are from the 7th and 23rd of July.

[carolyn137]

I havne't been following this thread so jsut a couple of comments.

I wonder why it was said above that Cornell had Visitation Valley seeds from me. They don't have a seed bank. Yes, I've grown it and didn't think well of it at all. Grew it b'c it sounded like a nice place to put a cemetery.

Lithuanian was mentioned.

Seeds to me many years ago from Don Podolia of WV, now deceased, and a huge PL plant with large pink beefsteaks and excellent taste, but for sure not a specific cool climate variety.

Did I forget anything I should be commenting about?

[dice]

Originally Posted by Carolyn137

I wonder why it was said above that Cornell had Visitation Valley seeds from me. They don't have a seed bank.

The page had a Cornell header, so I assumed it was their seed bank,
apparently in error. Here is the same listing at "Sol Genomics Network":
http://solgenomics.net/stock/5987/view/