berkeley tie dye x paul robeson

sprout · July 31, 2009

This is my first foray into breeding (tomatoes that is). I just picked the fruit off the BTD that i crossed with Paul Robeson. I thought it would make an interesting result. Does anybody know what I can expect? Also since it's just one fruit, do I need to go through the whole fermentation process? I think I remember seeing something about using oxy-clean for seed saving.
I don't know an awful lot regarding dominant/recessive genes etc. but the two plants are so distinctly different. I also attempted crossing Paul Robeson with black cherry, and lost the fruit to mockingbirds- i hate them!

One othe attempt with Pink Berkeley Tie Dye to no avail- fruit never set.

dice · August 1, 2009

You can clean them with Oxi-clean or TSP. Here is a link
to a thread that discusses cleaning seeds that way:
http://www.tomatoville.com/showthrea...&highlight=TSP

A couple of good descriptions of fermenting:
http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/A...g_Fermentation
http://www.victoryseeds.com/informat...ve_tomato.html

Vince · August 1, 2009

I think berkely tie die has yellow skin as well as paul robsen. If stipes are recessive and the skin color description is correct, you should get browns with no stripes in the F1. If Berkely tie die is the mother it will be a lot easier to see if the cross took, unless Paul robeson is PL. Havn't grown either, and am to lazy to look up their descriptions with respect to leaf type. BTW, did grow pink berkeley tie die this year and it is a great mater.

TZ-OH6 · August 1, 2009

Both look to have the green flesh gene (black tomatoes), yellow skin, oblate fruit and fasciated fruit (beefsteak locule pattern) and regular leaves. The green stripe gene (gs) is the only visible difference between the two other than degree of red in the flesh so the F1 will resemble Paul Robeson more or less, maybe with very faint striping. The F2 generation will give you approximately 3 non-striped fruit plants for every striped fruit plant. You can grow out a couple of plants in 3"-4" pots over winter under lights to get a little tomato or two for F2 seeds in time to plant them next season. Actually, because you probably have an extended seaon in California, you could start a few seeds now (just clean them off a bit and plant them, but ferment/chemical clean the rest for storage/planting next year) and grow them in 4" pots and get a little fruit or two growing before your season ends. Bring the plants in and grow them on the windowsill until a fruit ripens and use that F2 seed next year. That way next year you can grow the saved-seed F1 hybrid for an eating crop next to F2 plants that you are trying to segregate for whatever characteristics you want to stabilize (stripes, flavor).

sprout · August 15, 2009

thanks for the advice. I just started a few seeds. We'll see what happens.

July 31, 2009	#1
sprout Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: los gatos, CA Posts: 34	berkeley tie dye x paul robeson This is my first foray into breeding (tomatoes that is). I just picked the fruit off the BTD that i crossed with Paul Robeson. I thought it would make an interesting result. Does anybody know what I can expect? Also since it's just one fruit, do I need to go through the whole fermentation process? I think I remember seeing something about using oxy-clean for seed saving. I don't know an awful lot regarding dominant/recessive genes etc. but the two plants are so distinctly different. I also attempted crossing Paul Robeson with black cherry, and lost the fruit to mockingbirds- i hate them! One othe attempt with Pink Berkeley Tie Dye to no avail- fruit never set.

August 1, 2009	#2
dice Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: PNW Posts: 4,743	You can clean them with Oxi-clean or TSP. Here is a link to a thread that discusses cleaning seeds that way: http://www.tomatoville.com/showthrea...&highlight=TSP A couple of good descriptions of fermenting: http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/A...g_Fermentation http://www.victoryseeds.com/informat...ve_tomato.html __________________ -- alias

August 1, 2009	#3
Vince Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Riverside, CA Posts: 942	I think berkely tie die has yellow skin as well as paul robsen. If stipes are recessive and the skin color description is correct, you should get browns with no stripes in the F1. If Berkely tie die is the mother it will be a lot easier to see if the cross took, unless Paul robeson is PL. Havn't grown either, and am to lazy to look up their descriptions with respect to leaf type. BTW, did grow pink berkeley tie die this year and it is a great mater. __________________ Vince

August 1, 2009	#4
TZ-OH6 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mid-Ohio Posts: 847	Both look to have the green flesh gene (black tomatoes), yellow skin, oblate fruit and fasciated fruit (beefsteak locule pattern) and regular leaves. The green stripe gene (gs) is the only visible difference between the two other than degree of red in the flesh so the F1 will resemble Paul Robeson more or less, maybe with very faint striping. The F2 generation will give you approximately 3 non-striped fruit plants for every striped fruit plant. You can grow out a couple of plants in 3"-4" pots over winter under lights to get a little tomato or two for F2 seeds in time to plant them next season. Actually, because you probably have an extended seaon in California, you could start a few seeds now (just clean them off a bit and plant them, but ferment/chemical clean the rest for storage/planting next year) and grow them in 4" pots and get a little fruit or two growing before your season ends. Bring the plants in and grow them on the windowsill until a fruit ripens and use that F2 seed next year. That way next year you can grow the saved-seed F1 hybrid for an eating crop next to F2 plants that you are trying to segregate for whatever characteristics you want to stabilize (stripes, flavor).

August 15, 2009	#5
sprout Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: los gatos, CA Posts: 34	thanks for the advice. I just started a few seeds. We'll see what happens.