Member discussion regarding the methods, varieties and merits of growing tomatoes.
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June 23, 2017 | #286 |
Tomatovillian™
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My saved seeds from last years best Brandy Boy plant are blowing away the last of my F1's. I will hold judgement until I have fruit, but the plant is looking real good.
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June 23, 2017 | #287 |
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June 23, 2017 | #288 |
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Yay! And just out of curiosity, I looked on the Burpee website to see if they used the term "F1" for any of their hybrid tomatoes They don't; I only saw "F1" attached to the names of strawberries and hibiscus flowers. Now I'm wondering if other Burpee "hybrids" really aren't, not that I've tried them. But I imagine it's a lot cheaper to produce seeds from "stabilized hybrids"/open-pollinated varieties than continually produce F1s...
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June 23, 2017 | #289 | |
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BTW: My seeds from my best Brandy Boy is fermenting already. Brandu Boy shines in my garden. Almost no spoilage due to cracking, splitting .. no green or woody shoulders. Those are beside being productive and having good taste. In my opinion, no garden should be without it.
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June 23, 2017 | #290 | |
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June 23, 2017 | #291 |
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Producing "hybrid" seeds is labor intensive. You need a kind of laboratory environment, have trained people to do the job ONE FLOWER AT A TIME. Then tag it, bag it, harvest it, ferment it, dry it, pack it....
So for the smart seed company it is more economical to stabilize it an then save/sell seeds. Another reason for the seeds companies to call something "hybrid" is to discourage the average Joe The Gardener from saving his own seeds.
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June 23, 2017 | #292 | |
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June 24, 2017 | #293 | |
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Most folks have no clue. The other thing that really grinds my gears, that goes right along with this whole 'hybrid infinitum' is PVPs that expired still being sold as if the PVP were still valid...some being expired for nearly 10 yrs and still demanding a premium price! (Anyone else notice that PVP protection has jumped up to 20 yrs now?) I was suspecting that it may be the case, when I brought it up...because, after a few years of researching, mostly beans but several other Burpee varieties, I noticed that if it's a Burpee F1, they will state it. I didn't notice anything about that in any of the official Burpee literature, they just called it a hybrid. In 'Burpee speak', that can mean any later generation, really. Some of their beans were as high as F9 and as low as F4 and both were being called 'hybrid'. |
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June 24, 2017 | #294 | |
Tomatovillian™
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Perhaps another call to the Customer Service dept. is in order! On a more serious note, I didn't know that this sort of misrepresentation was such a widespread practice. I'm not terribly surprised, though. |
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June 24, 2017 | #295 |
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Great to know. BUt even then, it seems to have the 'hybrid vigor'.. (although plenty of vigorous OPs as well)
I'll save seeds for sure, my plant is finally blooming and making the first little knobs. |
June 24, 2017 | #296 |
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wow oh wow... 4.95 for 20 seeds? who would not think it wasn't Op at that price, though. I honestly haven't looked at their web site for them but I could not find them in their catalog either.... on all of the different pages they have peppers on. they aren't listed together, they are all over the catalog and listed just as pages that peppers are on. stupid.
https://www.totallytomato.com/P/0324...+Hybrid+Pepper https://www.hpsseed.com/P/03247/Yummy+Mix+Hybrid+Pepper
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June 24, 2017 | #297 |
Tomatovillian™
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Brandy Boy looks like a sure winner and one that I will try in my garden next year. Thank you Hudson and Gardeneer for the feedback!
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June 25, 2017 | #298 |
Tomatovillian™
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But isn't it illegal to sell an OP as hybrid F1?
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June 25, 2017 | #299 |
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No where in the official Burpee literature does it say that BrandyBoy is an F1 hybrid.
No where do they give the generation number that is being sold. We have found out in this thread that it's stabilized, so it is likely to be able to have savable seed. I'm not sure if it's under a PVP/patent or other protection. As to calling it a 'hybrid', I know of no LEGAL restriction to that..OP is NOT a legal definition, either. |
June 25, 2017 | #300 |
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SunGold is described as a hybrid on Burpee web site too, no mention of F1 either, but one assumes it's the F1 that is well known and loved by so many people.
Very misleading marketing...and confusing. |
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