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Old September 26, 2018   #1
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Default Asian Tempest and other New to Me Garlic ?

I have planting questions on a few garlic varieties. Hopefully a little organization on planting varieties in rows will make harvesting at the optimum time easier to access so I'm not stepping over plants still growing. Learned the hard way in keeping the big porcelains separate.

I bought half pounds of seed:

Asian Tempest - a website said early in and early out. Do I need to set in a special area and plant now while still warmer, instead of with the other garlic in about 2 weeks? 4 bulbs purchased

Polish
Incelium Red
Waiting on arrival from Pinetree, grown there locally in Maine, so hopefully will do well here


Amish Rocambole
Persian Star
Pehoski Purple (returning from saved seed)

about 30 saved misc bulbs of all categories exclusive of porcelains below

10 bulbs each - some new, some from last year : will keep separate to compare adapiton:
German Extra Hardy
Music
Romanian Red

Garden is 30 X 30 sloped e-w , the upper(e) being best for drainage
Thanks for any help in arranging the rows!

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Old September 27, 2018   #2
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What is your in-row spacing going to be?
How much between rows, or if "beds", how many rows per bed and what is the space between beds?
I think garden planting is much easier to plan when you create a standard "bed unit"
About everything I grow is based on a 3' wide bed. That does not mean it is raised or special in any way. Just means it is a 3' wide growing area that can handle anything from one row of plants (zucchini) to two rows (broccoli), to 3 rows (garlic, strawberries) to 5 rows (carrots).
You could also go narrower to 30", as that is easier to reach across from one side to the other.
Then you can standardize the length based on your plot or how much you usually plant OR how you want to calculate inputs like fertilizer.
In your case, 10' long beds would probably be good for calculating ferts and give you enough unique areas to separate varieties.

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Old September 27, 2018   #3
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If "Polish" is a softneck ( another name for NY White), then I can tell you it was a week earlier than Music, while Persian Star is at least a week later than Music.


One thing I have to do is make a map of what I plant where... there's no way you will remember it by harvest time. Although I'm learning to tell some apart by sight, there are varieties that you just can't tell apart.
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Old September 28, 2018   #4
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Thanks for your replies!

PH, I had too long a stretch between rows, about 6 rows before a walking path 2 feet wide and another 90 degrees at at 10 feet. In another words a tic tak board design. This made it easier to weed, or so I thought. I have on hand 4' dewitt sunbelt and dewitt pro 5 ,and they have the one foot stripes for rows but I went I went off stripe when overlapping. What I neglected to consider at the time of planting was the timing of harvest. I had to dig up rows of plants that were still green to access plants that were drying sown quickly. I hope to minimize this harvest situation by grouping the plants into like harvest time varieties.

I have only 15-25 cloves of each variety, and probably too many varieties. I was considering a 3 X 3 of each variety, instead of a 10' long row of one in a with 2' walking paths (mine was 6' which is where I went wrong) in a repeating pattern. I can used the entire area but would like to save some space for other crops.

Bower, that is helpful and a surprise! I was going to place the porcelain at the end. You saved me from stepping over plants again, as I was going to plant left to right. I found a link to a faq seed savers project from 2006 when a project for preservation began which listed harvest windows for the different varieties. Always exceptions, trying to digest.

I'll post photos of saved garlic for possible classification. We are in for a stretch of wet weather so tilling has been put on hold.

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Lisa,
It's always possible different varieties will respond differently to another climate. FWIW this year in the same bed (same amount of sunshine) the scapes emerged exactly one week later on Persian Star and Chesnok Red cw Music and my other porcelains, and Spanish Roja was one week later than the Persian Star. Just thought I would mention by name, since you may find them named in other resources and compared with your own varieties.



Re: planting layout, mostly beds are 3 or 4 across and we plant in sections rather than linear organization of different types. So if I have a dozen only of one type, I'll do it 3 across X 4 down the row, mark off and start the next one the same way. This way you have access to the whole variety in a block. Also I've noticed some varieties are noticeably shorter than others so I don't want them shaded by a row of something huge (Music and the other porcelains are big and tall. Persian Star, Chesnok Red, Spanish Roja and the NY White (?Polish) are considerably shorter.) Planting a block takes care of that concern.
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