HOURMA info.???

cottonpicker · February 13, 2006

I received a free a pkg. of HOURMA seeds with an order. Has anyone grown it? Opinion?? It's origin/history?? Is it worth growing??

Andrey_BY · February 13, 2006

Hourma or Khurma or Russian Persimmon or Persimmon is famous oldtime Russian variety with nice golden-orange color fruits, semi-determinate (70-100 cm), delicious round-plain fruits, 100-250 g, introduced by the gardener N.P.Kustov from small Russian town Babushkin. There are still so many Russian gardeners who love this tomato variety and grow it every year. One of my favorites too.

cottonpicker · February 13, 2006

THANK YOU VERY MUCH for the reply, Andrey!!!!!! I did NOT know this was the famous Russian Persimmon variety that I've been reading about. WOW... I feel lucky that they sent it to me as a free gift for my order!!!

Fusion_power · February 13, 2006

I received a few seed of "Orange Hurma" in a seed trade from Ukraine a few years ago. I'm finally growing it out this year. Based on the comments so far, it must be the Russian Persimmon.

Fusion

Andrey_BY · February 13, 2006

oops

Tania · February 16, 2006

Interestingly enough, in SSE Yearbook 2006 -
Hourma is lised as indeterminate, 6-8 oz, 80-110 days, peach colored (p.299);
'Russian Persimmon' is listed as determinate, 75-80 days, orange (p.307)
Persimmon is listed as 1-2 lb, orange, indet.

Different tomatoes?

I grew Russian Persimmon last year (seeds from Patty), and it was determinate for me. Very nice taste. I also attempted to grow Persimmon twice, got huge plants and very few fruits, persimmon color, (and I don't think they ever ripened on the plant in the best year (2004)

Larry, if you end up growing Hourma, can you let us know which description does it fit? Det. or indet.?

cottonpicker · February 16, 2006

Tania... I don't plan on growing Hourma this year, but perhaps in '07. I WILL post my findings.

Andrey_BY · February 16, 2006

Original Hourma or Persimmon (English translation of this Russian word) is definately semi-determinate (or semi-indeterminate as you wish

) and has this origin I mentioned here.
T think there could be several varieties cultivated in USA with similar color and taste and somebody named them after that original Russian variety, but they are completely different.

February 13, 2006	#1
cottonpicker Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: SE PA..near Valley Forge Posts: 839	HOURMA info.??? I received a free a pkg. of HOURMA seeds with an order. Has anyone grown it? Opinion?? It's origin/history?? Is it worth growing?? __________________ "Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause". Victor Hugo

February 13, 2006	#2
Andrey_BY Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Minsk, Belarus, Eastern Europe (Zone 4a) Posts: 2,278	Hourma or Khurma or Russian Persimmon or Persimmon is famous oldtime Russian variety with nice golden-orange color fruits, semi-determinate (70-100 cm), delicious round-plain fruits, 100-250 g, introduced by the gardener N.P.Kustov from small Russian town Babushkin. There are still so many Russian gardeners who love this tomato variety and grow it every year. One of my favorites too. __________________ 1 kg=2.2 lb , 1 m=39,37 in , 1 oz=28.35 g , 1 ft=30.48 cm , 1 lb= 0,4536 kg , 1 in=2.54 cm , 1 l = 0.26 gallon , 0 C=32 F Andrey a.k.a. TOMATODOR

February 13, 2006	#3
cottonpicker Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: SE PA..near Valley Forge Posts: 839	THANK YOU VERY MUCH for the reply, Andrey!!!!!! I did NOT know this was the famous Russian Persimmon variety that I've been reading about. WOW... I feel lucky that they sent it to me as a free gift for my order!!! __________________ "Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause". Victor Hugo

February 13, 2006	#5
Andrey_BY Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Minsk, Belarus, Eastern Europe (Zone 4a) Posts: 2,278	oops __________________ 1 kg=2.2 lb , 1 m=39,37 in , 1 oz=28.35 g , 1 ft=30.48 cm , 1 lb= 0,4536 kg , 1 in=2.54 cm , 1 l = 0.26 gallon , 0 C=32 F Andrey a.k.a. TOMATODOR

February 16, 2006	#6
Tania Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Anmore, BC, Canada Posts: 3,970	Interestingly enough, in SSE Yearbook 2006 - Hourma is lised as indeterminate, 6-8 oz, 80-110 days, peach colored (p.299); 'Russian Persimmon' is listed as determinate, 75-80 days, orange (p.307) Persimmon is listed as 1-2 lb, orange, indet. Different tomatoes? I grew Russian Persimmon last year (seeds from Patty), and it was determinate for me. Very nice taste. I also attempted to grow Persimmon twice, got huge plants and very few fruits, persimmon color, (and I don't think they ever ripened on the plant in the best year (2004) Larry, if you end up growing Hourma, can you let us know which description does it fit? Det. or indet.? __________________ Tatiana's TOMATObase

February 13, 2006	#4
Fusion_power Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,250	I received a few seed of "Orange Hurma" in a seed trade from Ukraine a few years ago. I'm finally growing it out this year. Based on the comments so far, it must be the Russian Persimmon. Fusion

February 16, 2006	#7
cottonpicker Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: SE PA..near Valley Forge Posts: 839	Hourma Tania... I don't plan on growing Hourma this year, but perhaps in '07. I WILL post my findings. __________________ "Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause". Victor Hugo