The KARMA Project - Page 22

ginger2778 · March 10, 2017

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Originally Posted by Spartanburg123

It is indeed inspiring to watch you two collaborate in such a positive way, and make it easy for the newbie gardeners to understand some of the complexities involved. All of this, while helping others on this and other forums to be better gardeners...wow, my hat's off to both of you- THANK YOU

Darin

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Originally Posted by efisakov

I am hooked with your project. PL cherries!!!

You are both very kind. Thank you for your heart warming words.

KarenO · March 20, 2017

Here we are, the first day of spring and the F4 karmas are planted.
All except the pink as I will wait for the F5 seed that Marsha is growing and almost ready

Happy day!
There will be 3 cherries and 3 large cherry/saladettes to grow this year.
Karma pink F5
Karma purple F4
Karma multiflora purple F4

Karma apricot F4
Karma GWR interior dark exterior, if comes true again needs a name Marsha

And one I kept back but will grow out is a tricolour F3 with oddly tiny seeds so will see if they germinate properly also will need a name if comes true again.
Here we go 2017
KarenO

ginger2778 · March 20, 2017

I think 1-2 weeks we should have ripe F4s of the pink, yielding the F5 seeds. A lot of my vines are starting to wind down now, so I am extra excited to have 3 beautiful healthy F4 Pinks which are producing like crazy. I am so ready to taste them.

bower · March 20, 2017

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Originally Posted by KarenO

Here we are, the first day of spring and the F4 karmas are planted.
All except the pink as I will wait for the F5 seed that Marsha is growing and almost ready

Happy day!
There will be 3 cherries and 3 large cherry/saladettes to grow this year.
Karma pink F5
Karma purple F4
Karma multiflora purple F4

Karma apricot F4
Karma blackF4
And one I kept back but will grow out is a tricolour F3 with oddly tiny seeds so will see if they germinate properly
Here we go 2017
KarenO

Yayy spring planting!

That is an awesome list, you two are something else!

Good karma.... !!

ginger2778 · March 31, 2017

KARMA Pink F4s plant #1, #2, #3 all ripening same size large pink cherries.
Karen, I might have seeds fermenting by Sunday. I want to give you some from all 3 plants.
The huge thick potato leaves, strong stems, and the perfect pink cherries, they are a thing of beauty. I hope they taste as incredible as the F3s did.

KarenO · March 31, 2017

How wonderful! So happy to see them all so similar.
No reason to think they won't taste the same. Very excited to grow them. Their younger F4 siblings are all up and growing well so far.
Soon as you can get me seeds I will get them going too. Taste them first

KarenO

KarenO · March 31, 2017

Here's the F4 babies up and at em. So happy to also have an F5 coming soon!
K

ginger2778 · April 5, 2017

Here are the F4 fruit. Not stable after all.
F4-1 and 2 are basically the same and taste fabulous.
F4-3 isn't pink at all, it looks exactly like Captain Lucky in a cherry, that kind of tri color, and it tastes like Captain Lucky too! Absolutely mouth watering intense flavor in all 3. I feel very lucky to be able to grow these.

I will try to get a better, brighter cut fruit photo with the next ripe ones.
Karen seeds are fermenting.

ginger2778 · April 5, 2017

Karen your KARMA babies look strong and healthy. F5 seeds will be on their way to you probably by 1 week from today.

KarenO · April 5, 2017

That bi green and pink is great

. There was a saladette that colour last year in my F2s but I think the cherry is even better!
Mainly happy to hear that the taste remains excellent in all of them
I will have fun Trying to choose the best of them to send back to you for the fall
Thank you!
Karen

ginger2778 · April 5, 2017

Isn't it interesting how even on the same plant the different fruit can have same size and shape, color, and yet differing seed locules? That always surprises me. Can anyone reading this explain why that happens, because it doesn't seem to be strictly genetically dictated?

KarenO · April 5, 2017

Hmm this brings up an interesting point. The number of seed locules is genetic, the more locules the larger the tomato. I surmise the lack of uniformity to be related to these still being an unstable cross between a cherry and a many - locules beefsteak. A revelation... perhaps to keep the cherry size we should be saving seeds from the cherries with fewer locules?

Another possibility is double or semi double blossoms. There were double blooms in some of the f2s which is not that common in a cherry. Perhaps if only a few in the plant are bigger they came from double blossoms.
Hopefully one of the genetics pros sees your question Marsha
Karen

ginger2778 · April 16, 2017

We never got an answer, which is too bad.

I let some volunteer purple multifloras grow. Looks like the multiflora trait is fixed.

ddsack · April 16, 2017

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Isn't it interesting how even on the same plant the different fruit can have same size and shape, color, and yet differing seed locules? That always surprises me. Can anyone reading this explain why that happens, because it doesn't seem to be strictly genetically dictated?
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Marsha

Maybe try posting this question as a new thread in the Crosstalk section with a link back here? I would like to know too!

bower · April 16, 2017

Hmmm I didn't see the question, but I will try my best to answer, as far as I know, and someone may correct or tell us more.

My understanding is that the "cherry" trait is = 2 locule fruit, not a one more.
(This is why I got saladette size fruit in my Kimberley X Zolotye Kupola F1. I thought Kimberley was a cherry, but technically it is not ie it has more than two locules).

The Kimberley revelation is enough to say something about cherry vs small fruit - the only way to tell is not fruit size but the strictly two locule condition.
You can certainly have cherry sized fruit that have more locules too.
They won't likely go on to throw larger fruit, as I think results tend to skew towards smaller fruit, although (or because?) size is a complex and additive trait. ("QTL"s).

What is really interesting is the difference it makes, when you cross a "non-cherry" cherry with a large fruit. Multi-locule small fruit are cool for breeding purposes.

By contrast if you cross a true cherry (2 locules) with a larger fruit, the F1 will always be a true cherry (2 locules) as that trait is dominant to the multi-locular ones.

March 20, 2017	#317
KarenO Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Vancouver Island Posts: 5,922	Here we are, the first day of spring and the F4 karmas are planted. All except the pink as I will wait for the F5 seed that Marsha is growing and almost ready Happy day! There will be 3 cherries and 3 large cherry/saladettes to grow this year. Karma pink F5 Karma purple F4 Karma multiflora purple F4 Karma apricot F4 Karma GWR interior dark exterior, if comes true again needs a name Marsha And one I kept back but will grow out is a tricolour F3 with oddly tiny seeds so will see if they germinate properly also will need a name if comes true again. Here we go 2017 KarenO Last edited by KarenO; March 21, 2017 at 03:42 PM.

April 5, 2017	#325
KarenO Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Vancouver Island Posts: 5,922	That bi green and pink is great. There was a saladette that colour last year in my F2s but I think the cherry is even better! Mainly happy to hear that the taste remains excellent in all of them I will have fun Trying to choose the best of them to send back to you for the fall Thank you! Karen

March 20, 2017	#318
ginger2778 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Plantation, Florida zone 10 Posts: 9,283	I think 1-2 weeks we should have ripe F4s of the pink, yielding the F5 seeds. A lot of my vines are starting to wind down now, so I am extra excited to have 3 beautiful healthy F4 Pinks which are producing like crazy. I am so ready to taste them.

March 31, 2017	#321
KarenO Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Vancouver Island Posts: 5,922	How wonderful! So happy to see them all so similar. No reason to think they won't taste the same. Very excited to grow them. Their younger F4 siblings are all up and growing well so far. Soon as you can get me seeds I will get them going too. Taste them first KarenO

April 5, 2017	#324
ginger2778 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Plantation, Florida zone 10 Posts: 9,283	Karen your KARMA babies look strong and healthy. F5 seeds will be on their way to you probably by 1 week from today.

April 5, 2017	#326
ginger2778 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Plantation, Florida zone 10 Posts: 9,283	Isn't it interesting how even on the same plant the different fruit can have same size and shape, color, and yet differing seed locules? That always surprises me. Can anyone reading this explain why that happens, because it doesn't seem to be strictly genetically dictated?

April 5, 2017	#327
KarenO Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Vancouver Island Posts: 5,922	Hmm this brings up an interesting point. The number of seed locules is genetic, the more locules the larger the tomato. I surmise the lack of uniformity to be related to these still being an unstable cross between a cherry and a many - locules beefsteak. A revelation... perhaps to keep the cherry size we should be saving seeds from the cherries with fewer locules? Another possibility is double or semi double blossoms. There were double blooms in some of the f2s which is not that common in a cherry. Perhaps if only a few in the plant are bigger they came from double blossoms. Hopefully one of the genetics pros sees your question Marsha Karen

April 16, 2017	#330
bower Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Posts: 6,793	Hmmm I didn't see the question, but I will try my best to answer, as far as I know, and someone may correct or tell us more. My understanding is that the "cherry" trait is = 2 locule fruit, not a one more. (This is why I got saladette size fruit in my Kimberley X Zolotye Kupola F1. I thought Kimberley was a cherry, but technically it is not ie it has more than two locules). The Kimberley revelation is enough to say something about cherry vs small fruit - the only way to tell is not fruit size but the strictly two locule condition. You can certainly have cherry sized fruit that have more locules too. They won't likely go on to throw larger fruit, as I think results tend to skew towards smaller fruit, although (or because?) size is a complex and additive trait. ("QTL"s). What is really interesting is the difference it makes, when you cross a "non-cherry" cherry with a large fruit. Multi-locule small fruit are cool for breeding purposes. By contrast if you cross a true cherry (2 locules) with a larger fruit, the F1 will always be a true cherry (2 locules) as that trait is dominant to the multi-locular ones.