YOUR Tentativ Grow out ... for 2016 season

[jillian]

I ALMOST have my list nailed down. Still tweaking tomatoes.

On Thursday I started seeds for: cascadia snap and oregon 2 snow peas. also several varieties of Kale, Mustard, and lots of herbs. This morning I had all the mustard seed sprouted, so exciting!

I will start my pepper seeds Friday. yayyyyy

[Deborah]

Charley, there's a Junebug tomato?

[tomatoguy]

I'm just starting my list. Here is what I have, so far.

1. Mary Huddleston
2. Roger's Best Black
3. Pink Elephant
4. Blue Beauty
5. Pilser Vesy
6. Mong
7. Earl's Faux
8. Tennessee Heirloom
9. Early Large Red
10. Delicious

Half of my plants will go in my raised bed and the other half in straw bales. I will probably have a total of around 25 plants. I welcome any suggestions. Looking for medium to large red, pink, yellow, or black varieties to try.

mater

[LindyAdele]

I think this might be it this year:

Cherries:

Sunsugar
Carbon Copy
Snow White
Sunrise Bumblebee
Juliet
Indigo Blueberries
Amythyst Cream

Dwarf:
Rosella Purple (or maybe Tasmanian Chocolate?)
Wherokowhai
Kootenai

Slicers:
Chocolate Stripes
Beauty King
Yellow Ruffles
Tim's Black Ruffles
Gezahnte
Coustralee
Copper River

[JLJ_]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

No need to compare IS heart with any other IS as in Rl or PL,since that won't help at all . . .

I disagree with that a whole heap! While it would certainly be good, if it proves possible, to compare Indian Stripe Heart? fruit from this line to Marina's, the point of comparisons between Indian Stripe, Indian Stripe PL and Indian Stripe Heart? is to see whether the Indian Stripe Heart? is any heartier than its cousins. All the Indian Stripes sometimes have some fruit that is sorta kinda heartish looking, but no plant that we've seen yet, with possible exception of plants from Marina's seed, which we may or may not see, just charges in and produces fruit that is clearly heartier than the other Indian Stripe plants.

That's not too surprising, as all the Indian Stripe Heart? we are considering here came from the one Indian Stripe Heart? plant that I was able to get into production from the 2013 seed offer, seed of which I passed on to Marsha and to one other person -- from whom I didn't ever hear any results. That plant had some heartish tendencies, but when its fruit were sitting next to fruit from the other Indian Stripes, any heartish tendencies were certainly not conspicuous.

Indian Stripe PL from Marsha came from one plant here, too -- though I did grow more than one of those. But I had one that was a *much* nicer plant and better producer than its Indian Stripe PL colleagues, or than any other Indian Stripe I grew that year. I sent seed from it to Marsha when I sent her the Indian Stripe Heart? seed. Also sent that one to several other people.

All the seed sent from here was from bagged blossoms, but I believe that in Florida the Indian Stripe Heart? and Indian Stripe PL were unbagged and growing in the same container so . . .

But they were both Indian Stripe fruit so probably the most dramatic thing that might have happened in that container was a possible Indian Stripe Heart? PL turning up in a generation or two . . . as long as no other container was nearby.

While I sent her seed from several tomatoes, I believe Marsha grew her Indian Stripe Heart? plant from the seed I'd marked as coming from the most "hearty" tomato produced by that first plant, and then she saved seed from the heartish fruit that appeared on her plant, later in the season when temps were hotter. So we hope that we've been selecting for whatever heartish tendencies were in that first plant -- but the difference in conformation of fruit may be all or partly weather related.

We wondered about that to begin with, but I'm more inclined to think that weather may play a role as, having seen a Glovel heart last season, which I suspected *might* have been related to atypical weather, I was rereading some of my saved material from the early days of Glovel (Marglobe's "sister").

In some of the material on Glovel, released 1930ish to inform potential commercial growers, they mentioned that under drought stress Glovel's polar diameter was longer, while if the plant was entirely happy, its equatorial diameter was longer. It was just a note of something they had observed, not the result of systematic study of that property -- but interesting. Might well suggest that stress of various sorts -- particularly heat -- would be likely to produce that effect and it could be an effect that occurs more widely than in Glovel and just hasn't been studied.

While not conclusive at all, it would be consistent with the observation that this line of Indian Stripe Heart? seems to express its heart shape a little more clearly under hot weather conditions. Perhaps this happens because it tends, under those conditions, to a longer polar diameter. Which is another reason it's important to compare Indian Stripe Heart? to Indian Stripe and Indian Stripe PL, to see if its "heartiness" is greater than that of its cousins under the same environmental conditions, or whether all the Indian Stripes become heartier under certain conditions.

One attractive thing about making these comparisons is that whether the heartish look shows up anywhere or not, all the plants still produce nice Indian Stripe fruit, so the garden space and effort isn't wasted. And given that the heart shape has been directly observed, at times, by credible people, it seems likely that it will eventually be stabilized in a strain that will just crank out Indian Stripe Hearts whenever it fruits, under any conditions.

[carolyn137]

OK JLJ,I'll post no more,maybe,about this issue.

Carolyn

[bcbf]

Only room for 18 plants this year. Mostly new to me varieties this year, only black cherry, amana Orange, bear creek, raspberry miracle and joe's pink oxheart return from last years garden.

1.black cherry
2.copper river
3.chocolate stripes
4.amana Orange
5.lucky cross
6.joe's pink oxheart
7.stupice
8.indian stripe
9.prudens purple
10.bear creek
11.raspberry miracle
12.earl's faux
13.estler's mortgage lifter
14.snfla
15.dana's dusky rose
16.german Johnson-Benton strain
17. Blush or sunrise bumblebee
18.desters or rebel yell or Barlow jap

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by tomatoguy

I'm just starting my list. Here is what I have, so far.

1. Mary Huddleston
2. Roger's Best Black
3. Pink Elephant
4. Blue Beauty
5. Pilser Vesy
6. Mong
7. Earl's Faux
8. Tennessee Heirloom
9. Early Large Red
10. Delicious

Half of my plants will go in my raised bed and the other half in straw bales. I will probably have a total of around 25 plants. I welcome any suggestions. Looking for medium to large red, pink, yellow, or black varieties to try.

mater

Just my opinion but I'd delete both Early Large Red and Delicious. I've grown both and think there are much better ones than those two.

I'll try to remember to come back and make some suggstions for you,just can't do it right now,

Carolyn

[tomatoguy]

I have grown both, as well. I will probably stick with ELR. They are almost always the first to ripen, here, with the nod sometimes going to Gregori's Altai. They usually give me ripe fruit before the end of June. I find the taste of ELR and GA very similar. The problem with GA, of course, is split fruit, whenever there is heavy rain. I like Delicious but I grow them mainly for my daughter. I considered Neves Azorean Red or Cuostralee, to fill that niche. I still haven't decided, for sure. The only ones I haven't grown before are Pink Elephant, Blue Beauty and Pilser Vesy. I see quite a few people growing Copper River, so I might have to check that one out. By the way, I've been away from the group, for a while, so maybe this has already been addressed. I have grown Mark Twain several time. They gave me medium-sized orange/red fruits and were very productive. The last ones I grew were also orange/red but had stripes and the production was much lower. Have you heard anything about this variation?

[Johnniemar]

My list for 2016

Indian stripe
Bear creek
Siletz
Marglobe
Druzba
Spudakee
Margret curtain
Brandywine red
Amazon chocolate
Chocolate stripes
Girl girl's weird thing
Arkansas traveler
Neves azorian red
Mortgage lifter

[charley]

Originally Posted by Deborah

Charley, there's a Junebug tomato?

june bug is a tomato i croosed with black cherry and i thought jaunee flamee but it turns out jf is round and the tomato i used was plum shaped.but any ways it is super sweet a dark burnt orange color.its only f3 but buy this time next year i should have f5 seeds for any one that wants to try it

[Deborah]

Yes, thanks, I'd like a few seeds. One of my rabbits is named Junebug so growing a Junebug tomato will be fun.

[Raiquee]

My tentative:

Growing out about 100 plants for the dwarf tomato project

Growing another 100 for me.
Others:
Pink Elgin
Black Krim
Sungold
Amish paste
Japanese black triefe
Big cheef
Pink Berkeley tie dye
Solar flare
Casino chips
Indian stripe
Brandy wine cherry
Cherokee tiger black pear
Chocolate cherry
Wild thyme bi color
Darthmater
Jacka** yellow
Kosovo
Flathead monster orange
Rebel yell
Lincoln Adams
Green zebra
Spudatula
Eva's purple
Stump of the world

Whew! And I still need about 25 more varieties to fill my space. Any suggestions? No more cherrys or salads please! The most of what I'm growing out is seed sent to me that I haven't gotten to try yet!

[KC.Sun]

Originally Posted by Raiquee

My tentative:

Growing out about 100 plants for the dwarf tomato project

Growing another 100 for me.
Others:
Pink Elgin
Black Krim
Sungold
Amish paste
Japanese black triefe
Big cheef
Pink Berkeley tie dye
Solar flare
Casino chips
Indian stripe
Brandy wine cherry
Cherokee tiger black pear
Chocolate cherry
Wild thyme bi color
Darthmater
Jacka** yellow
Kosovo
Flathead monster orange
Rebel yell
Lincoln Adams
Green zebra
Spudatula
Eva's purple
Stump of the world

Whew! And I still need about 25 more varieties to fill my space. Any suggestions? No more cherrys or salads please! The most of what I'm growing out is seed sent to me that I haven't gotten to try yet!

I'd try to add:

Captain lucky
Lucky cross
Little lucky
Esmeralda Gosilina
Muddy Waters
Fresa
Sweet Ozark Orange
Orange Russian 117
George Detsakis Italian Red
Girl Girls Weird Thing

And then you will be growing all colors in the spectrum. Your garden will be amazing!

[Fiishergurl]

My list changed so reposting.... seedljngs are ready to be transplanted but waiting a couple of weeks for weather to get better.

Black Cherry
Brandywine Cherry Dark
Cows Tit
San Marzano Redorta
Sgt Pepper's
Not Purple Strawberry
Reinhard Kraft Purple Heart
Brad gates Small mix
Rebel Yell
PBTD
GGWT
Cherokee Black Heart
Orage Minsk Heart
Brads Black Heart
Lucky Tiger
4 crosses from Paprika
Big Cheef


Various reds for disease resistance
Charger F1
Skyway F1
Champion II
Jetsetter
Bush beefsteak


And some that i need input as to whether to grow them since i dont have room for all that i started.

Eva purple Ball
Neves Azorian Red
Azoychka
Margaret Curtain
Paul Robeson
Painted Pink
Ambrosia Red
Black vernissage

Need input for the list above as i will only be able to pick a couple from these.

Ginny