Member discussion regarding the methods, varieties and merits of growing tomatoes.
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February 17, 2018 | #1 |
Tomatovillian™
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DEhybridized Varieties
Is there a composit list of dehybridized tomato varieties and the name of the original variety?
If not, could we start one, and include compaarisons of the grow out and the original? Is there a down side to doing this? |
February 17, 2018 | #2 | |
Tomatovillian™
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For example take Sungold F1. There are many dehybridized versions out there. While I haven't grown them, grow reports all tend to suggest they're close but not the same. So downside is you often can't capture everything about the F1 hybrid--some of which might be obvious, like flavor, production; while other things might be subtle, like earliness, plant vigor, disease tolerance, etc. |
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February 17, 2018 | #3 |
Tomatovillian™
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Sounds like this could be a messy-mess.
Maybe more simple to ask Carolyn to write a simple summary of her work dehybridizing, at least giving the names so I can learn what s what. And if anyobe else wants to contribute their work/knowledge. Like name the original and then offspring name. |
February 17, 2018 | #4 | |
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February 17, 2018 | #5 |
Tomatovillian™
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Can you share named varieties so I can track them down?
For example I understand SUNGOLD was dehybridized, but what is the name of the related OP family members. |
February 17, 2018 | #6 |
Tomatovillian™
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I would argue that most of the dehybridized SunGold lines are not worth knowing. To me, a dehybridized line only becomes interesting when it is equal or superior to the original hybrid. This is rarely the case.
Most of us who have dehybridized SunGold have thrown away all of our dehybridized lines. |
February 17, 2018 | #7 |
Tomatovillian™
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Big Beef and Sungold win the "Most Un-DEhybridizable Award," in my experience trying the op versions anyway. I like a lot of OP varieties better than Big Beef, and I like Ambrosia Orange better than Sungold. It sacrifices yield and vigor somewhat compared to Sungold, but I think beats it on flavor.
The Holy Grail of DEhybridizing to me is bell peppers, particularly being able to grow a 'grocery store bell,' which means large, blocky, uniform, and thick-walled. I love a lot of sweet OP pepper varieties, especially in regard to flavor, but I don't think there is such a thing as a grocery store bell in OP seed form. Maybe some green-to-red come close, but I don't think any of the yellow or orange OP bells are anything like the hybrids. The discrepancy in seed price is further evidence. |
February 17, 2018 | #8 |
Tomatovillian™
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I have Keepsake OP and Early Cascade OP, from Keepsake F1 & Early Cascade F1. I did not have any hand in dehybridizing them. I just went looking for the F1's and they're discontinued so I bought the OP's.
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February 17, 2018 | #9 |
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I was told that Japanese Pink Cherry was once a hybrid. It's an excellent tasting OP cherry tomato now.
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February 17, 2018 | #10 |
Tomatovillian™
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THank you.I am sure there are more.
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