Member discussion regarding the methods, varieties and merits of growing tomatoes.
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May 26, 2010 | #16 | |
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There are lots of so called black varieties that seem to have originated in the Crimea but they are warm weather varieties, not cool weather varieties.
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May 26, 2010 | #17 |
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Yes, I remember that, but the one year I grew it, Black Krim matured early and produced a lot of fairly large fruit, then quit, like a determinate. So I think of it as producing well in cooler summers, since that's what I have. So just watch, I'm growing it again this year and it'll do something different!
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May 26, 2010 | #18 |
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Black Krim did well for me, too, in a summer where
temperatures for half the summer were 10F below normal. (50% more fruit than Earl's Faux in the same garden in the same summer.)
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May 27, 2010 | #19 |
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Dice, you wrote:
I would not put Brad's Black Heart in this class. They are great tomatoes, but they had some of the most severe "purpling" in the cold outdoor weather this spring among all of the varieties that I had out there. (The purple on stems and the bottoms of leaves is from cold temperatures interfering with phosphorus uptake by the seedlings.) Mazarini (another mid-season heart) has this problem, too, weak cold tolerance. *************************************** I put out my OSU Blue plants too early. They suffered through two straight 34F nights. Lots of purplish leaves. I thought it had to do with the fact they were BLUE tomatoes LOL. But no other varieties suffered like OSU Blue did so they must be non cold tolerant. Will the plants grow out of this condition or are they stunted or set back in any way when there's lots of "Purpling" is going on? TIA
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that there is no actual shortage of available phosphorus in the soil and that the purpling was thus only a low temperature symptom). I wondered, too, how that would look on a plant that naturally has purple tints to the stems or foliage. How would one recognize what the problem was? I went around and sprayed my seedlings that had been transplanted with soluble 0-10-10, to give them another source of phosphate until the weather warmed up enough to enable normal phosphorus uptake from the soil.
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May 30, 2010 | #21 |
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They are slowly recovering. Slowly being the operative word. All 29 other plants are fine and were exposed to the same cold. I think MAYBE the OSU's are what you described as weak cold tolerance. Or they're just weird! LOL!
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May 31, 2010 | #23 |
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You have talked me into trying Stupice in 2011, I am making a list now.
You are way ahead of me, I just don't have the maters like I would like to have this year. Neva |
May 31, 2010 | #24 |
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b54red-Your Stupice looks great!! I have a couple planted that are behind yours. I can't wait for them to give me some maters!! Glad your season is going well.
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June 1, 2010 | #25 |
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2 years ago I grew Matina, Stupice, and Bloody Butcher together for a taste test. From my garden I would rate the 3 as:
1. Matina 2. Bloody Butcher 3. Stupice. The taste of Matina and BB were virtually indistinguishable to me but Matina came in slightly larger so I gave it the edge in ratings. Stupice’s 1st set of tomatoes only tasted ok but the flavor did improve vastly later in the season. These were all planted in the ground and I did enjoy Sophie’s Choice as an early in a container but true to form it expired once the VA heat kicked in. I thought this would finally decide what my early would be but now I read on various sites about a lot more earlies, many from overseas, so I will to continue to reserve spots in the garden to try new varieties of all types which is fun but my family think I’m nuts. |
June 4, 2010 | #26 |
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My Stupice is currently growing like a dwarf. It is thick and upright with no vining. Looks great, but the cold and heavy rains are keeping them down. On the plus side they are still alive. |
June 4, 2010 | #27 |
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My bloody butcher were all RL... so I discarded them and only have Stupice now.
Has anyone ever grown out the RL bloody butcher? What does it look like when mature. I was annoyed because the Burpee package said PL and all 80 of the seedling were RL.... |
June 5, 2010 | #28 |
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There is no authentic "RL Bloody Butcher". RL Bloody Butcher
seeds could only come from a chance cross with an RL plant or a seed mixup. If you were growing Bloody Butcher from a commercial packet and all of the seeds came up RL, that was probably a packet filled with seeds of some other cultivar altogether. (No way to guess what they really were.) With seeds from bee-made crosses, one tends to get a mix of plants from self-pollinated seeds and crossed seeds. Self-pollinated Bloody Butcher plants would still be PL. One sees these more with one's own saved seeds or traded for seeds.
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June 6, 2010 | #29 | |
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I've had a lot of fusarium wilt this year, particularly on the ones planted very early while the same varieties planted three weeks later still show no major signs of it. Stupice while dying of it now produced a lot of good tomatoes. Next year I will try staggering my planting of it and see if it makes any difference in the wilt problem. |
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June 7, 2010 | #30 |
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I live at the southern end of the Willamette valley. It is not classified as a temperate rain forest but this year it sure feels like one. It must be the coldest and wettest spring any where in the world and the stupices are good sturdy plants. It is so reliable and productive. The toms are nice salad size and pretty good flavored and very welcome. I always have some. For this climate they are ideal. I wish I could find a nice big slicer that I could count on as well.
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