Kellogg's Breakfast and Persimmon---Grow Both? - Page 2

lumierefrere · February 11, 2006

Okay as to the growing the RP in a bucket. That's a possibility. I read that it's not too big. I had a couple very large ones in buckets last year and it was beyond my ability to cope with it.

As for the uploading of photos, I use photobucket and it works for GW but for TV, the photo doesn't appear, just the link. I'm sure it's just a little tweak to do that I'm not aware of.

Thanks for the help.

Barb

grungy · February 11, 2006

Although both were good tomatoes - love the subtle "smoky" flavor of the the blacks (most of them have it and it hard to describe) I like the Russian Black slightly better.

lumierefrere · February 11, 2006

I thought that's what you said so that's what I put on my list for the main garden. I'll cram other things into the flower bed again.

Tania · February 11, 2006

Barb and D., 'Khurma' translates to 'Persimmon' from Russian (as you propably already figured out

). Is 'Russian Persimmon' the same variety as 'Khurma'? I don't know, at least the translation doesn't imply that (unless someone added 'Russian' to indicate the origin and differentiate it from the other 'Persimmon'

)

Here is what some Russian seeds vendors say about 'Khurma':

"Mid-season variety, also suitable for greenhouses. Fruits are gold/orange, 100-250g" (which is 3.5-9 oz)
"Lovely fruits with very good taste. For GH and fields. Mid-season. 115-125 days from seed germination to ripe fruit."

Unfortunately none is saying whether it is a det. or indet.

I know Russian Persimmon is a determinate. I've got my Russian Persimmon seeds from Patty last year, and I loved it - very good taste. I never grew Khurma, so can't speak from my experience whether these are the same tomato

For some reason, Khurma seeds are no longer available on Russian market (I could only look them up on the 'cached' pages, and can't find it in 2006 catalogs)

lumierefrere · February 12, 2006

You're such a resource of information, Tania! I love it.

So the American Persimmon and the Russian Persimmon/Khurma are 2 different varities. They're listed separately at TGS, altho your description sounds much more encouraging to me than the one at TGS. It's also good to know I can probably stick it in a bucket and save space in the garden.

That said, just because something is a determinate doesn't mean it's "short" and won't tip a bucket over without cinderblocks bracing it. Most of my determinates were 3'-4' last year but the New Yorker was nearly 6' tall. Good tomato but well into August before I saw anything.

February 11, 2006	#19
Tania Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Anmore, BC, Canada Posts: 3,970	Barb and D., 'Khurma' translates to 'Persimmon' from Russian (as you propably already figured out ). Is 'Russian Persimmon' the same variety as 'Khurma'? I don't know, at least the translation doesn't imply that (unless someone added 'Russian' to indicate the origin and differentiate it from the other 'Persimmon' ) Here is what some Russian seeds vendors say about 'Khurma': "Mid-season variety, also suitable for greenhouses. Fruits are gold/orange, 100-250g" (which is 3.5-9 oz) "Lovely fruits with very good taste. For GH and fields. Mid-season. 115-125 days from seed germination to ripe fruit." Unfortunately none is saying whether it is a det. or indet. I know Russian Persimmon is a determinate. I've got my Russian Persimmon seeds from Patty last year, and I loved it - very good taste. I never grew Khurma, so can't speak from my experience whether these are the same tomato For some reason, Khurma seeds are no longer available on Russian market (I could only look them up on the 'cached' pages, and can't find it in 2006 catalogs) __________________ Tatiana's TOMATObase

February 11, 2006	#16
lumierefrere Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Zone 4 NY Posts: 772	Okay as to the growing the RP in a bucket. That's a possibility. I read that it's not too big. I had a couple very large ones in buckets last year and it was beyond my ability to cope with it. As for the uploading of photos, I use photobucket and it works for GW but for TV, the photo doesn't appear, just the link. I'm sure it's just a little tweak to do that I'm not aware of. Thanks for the help. Barb

February 11, 2006	#17
grungy Tomatovillian™ Honoree Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wynndel, BC, CANADA Posts: 78	Although both were good tomatoes - love the subtle "smoky" flavor of the the blacks (most of them have it and it hard to describe) I like the Russian Black slightly better.

February 12, 2006	#20
lumierefrere Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Zone 4 NY Posts: 772	You're such a resource of information, Tania! I love it. So the American Persimmon and the Russian Persimmon/Khurma are 2 different varities. They're listed separately at TGS, altho your description sounds much more encouraging to me than the one at TGS. It's also good to know I can probably stick it in a bucket and save space in the garden. That said, just because something is a determinate doesn't mean it's "short" and won't tip a bucket over without cinderblocks bracing it. Most of my determinates were 3'-4' last year but the New Yorker was nearly 6' tall. Good tomato but well into August before I saw anything.