Persimmon (D. kaki) and pomegranate from Caucasis

[travis]

Okay, now that persimmon looks more like the wild one around here.
Well, the leaves and twigs look exactly like it
and with the persimmons more closely set.
But still ours don't get anything like that bushy.
Maybe they prune them to grow like that.
Or is the growth habit just more "shrubby?"

Also, our wild persimmons get very dark almost opaque
burnt orange skin tone
with a whitish sugary powdery stuff on the surface ...
and all crinkled in the skin when they are dead ripe after a frost.

PV

[dcarch]

Originally Posted by Andrey_BY

PV, yes, I'm sorry they are pomegranite or pomegranate ----------------
--:wink:

Someday, a seedless pomegranite or pomegranate would be nice. :wink:

dcarch

[Andrey_BY]

Originally Posted by dcarch

Someday, a seedless pomegranite or pomegranate would be nice. :wink:

dcarch

We used to eat them whole with seeds as well as grapes :wink:

[dcarch]

Originally Posted by Andrey_BY

We used to eat them whole with seeds as well as grapes :wink:

Someday, a seedless tomato would be nice (I hate seeds).

:wink:
dcarch

[travis]

Sorry, it is "pomegranate." I spelled it incorrectly up there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomegranate

When I was a kid, a neighbor lady grew pomegranates
and figs in her yard in Mississippi. It hardly ever snowed there.
I think I saw snow twice up to the age of 14
and it was an inch or two of wet snow that melted the next day.

We peeled the pomegranates and just bit into them,
sucked out the juice and spit out the seeds and pulp.
Blackberry seeds are no problem to me, so I guess
pomegranate seeds are about the same, but the pulp
is rather obnoxious after you've depleted the juice.

Lately, I drink pomegranate juice and blue berry juice
hoping to stave off any more heart disease and ...
what's that other disease called ... uh ...
wait a minute ... I'll think of it ...oh yeah ... Alzheimer's ...
just a mite longer.

PV

[Andrey_BY]

Originally Posted by dcarch

Someday, a seedless tomato would be nice (I hate seeds).

:wink:
dcarch

No seeds > no seed saving > no diversity That's why I prefer seedy varieties :wink:

PV, pomegranate juice is very healthy indeed helps from many-many deseases (incl. cancer and anemia). Blueberry is good for eyes.

[Patrina_Pepperina]

Originally Posted by Andrey_BY

How about seeds of pomegranatum from Azerbaijan?

Andrey, I wonder if this is the same as the Azerbaijani Pomegranate bush that I am growing? The fruit is about the size of an apple. The bush has already lost a lot of leaves for autumn.



Unfortunately it is difficult to see properly because of my neighbours trees so close behind. The weight of the branches made the thick grey plastic stake bend

Patrina

[Andrey_BY]

Patrina, what a nice bushy tree you've got.

I believe Azerbaijani Pomegranates are more compact and not so leafy. Their fruit size varies from a small apple to a standard grapefruit. As far as know they prefer to form pomegranate as a compact tree in Azerbaijan.

After 4 days-off I'm gonna send you my envelope with seeds tomorrow and will add Azerbaijani Pomegranates seeds as well.

[Andrey_BY]

Just curious if anybody whom I've sent Azerbaijani pomegranate and persimmon seeds started them and already have some luck with seedlings?

[Patrina_Pepperina]

Andrey, I tried germinating 4 pomegranate seeds, but no luck this season.... will try overwintering some in moist sand in the fridge and set them out next spring!

Patrina

[Worth1]

I just thought I would toss this in as far as how to tell if a persimmon is ripe.

First off they grow wild in Texas as in most of the rest of the USA I have lived in.

A persimmon is ripe when it is gone from the tree.
Thats right, the possums and racoons and anything else that likes them will surely get there before you will.

After the first frost is when we/they eat them.

Worth

[gardenhappy]

Andrey,i want to plant the persimmon seeds you just sent to me i'm Lithia Florida zone 10,the coldest it gets here (and they say this was the worst winter in 32 years) Is for a few hours last winter we we're 27 degrees. We are running 82-87 right now days and low 60's nights should i put the seeds in sand in the fridge for 6 weeks or sow them in the soil out side or start them in the greenhouse I have never started fruit trees before,PLEASE ADVISE !!!!

[Andrey_BY]

Usually we start them indoor and small pots and they are to sprout in 10-14 days with enough watering and light... Good luck in growing them in Florida!