Tomato variety history...end of story? - Page 4

Ruth_10 · March 19, 2007

Regarding the history of varieties aspect: Dice said

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I take it that the primary function of the annual
SSE catalog, though, is not to serve as a reference
document. It is to list seeds of archived cultivars
available from SSE members that year. Using it
as a cultivar type or history reference is merely
a use that tomato enthusiasts and other researchers
sometimes make of it.

Yes. Histories in the Yearbook are an ancillary activity, and included at the "will and whim" of the person providing the entry. By "will and whim" I simply mean it is an option, not a requirement--their choice to include a history or not.

For myself, I wouldn't mind a Sticky here on TV where one could drop the histories that do turn up. Not perfect, but it is something and I think many people would enjoy reading them.

**carolyn137** · March 20, 2007

Although, Suze's case is quite bad - if something like that had happened to me, I'd be likely very upset to say the least, not mentioning that other members might be requesting Suze's seeds from a wrong SSE members...

*****

Thankfully Suze was able to work it out with the other SSE member so that all requests for those of her entries with that other person's code name will be forwarding Suze's requests to her.

Andrey_BY · March 20, 2007

My Zolotoe Serdtse tomato had been entered as Zolotoj Serdtse for some reason in 2007 SSE Yearbook, but I've sent all in Excel and with right name to Joanne

Somebody who corrected this don't know Russian grammer for sure

dice · March 20, 2007

The suggestion that SSE have an online data entry
form for listed member submissions to the catalog
could save SSE staff a lot of work and prevent a
lot of the confusion described in the posts above,
but it also raises security issues that they probably
don't have now. (Becoming a listed member and
mailing in a paper form would likely be considered
too much trouble for ordinary malicious information
vandals, but a form accessible on the Internet is
quite a bit more convenient for creating havoc and
wasting other people's time; cracking security is
just part of the fun of it for high-tech juvenile
delinquents).

I am not saying, "Don't do it, it's not safe."
I am only saying that the website and password
security needs to be rigorous and professional
if SSE wants to do this without creating problems
that they don't have now.

**nctomatoman** · March 21, 2007

My gosh, I go away for a few days and a 5 page post pops up !!

So, good question - why is Cherokee Purple in the Pink section? Well, when I grew it out, it was really, aside from Purple Calabash, the only more on the purple-than-pink-side available - quickly followed by Black Krim and Price's Purple. And, back then, the Other Colors area seemed to be for greens and whites and bicolors. Once something gets in the yearbook in a particular place, it seems impossible or at least very difficult to move.

Colors are tricky. Whenever I look through the yearbook, I note that quite a few tomatoes don't seem to be where they belong - new growers, especially, don't always get the pink/red distinction correct. I haven't checked recently, but the Brandywines were always a bit messy - quite a few listings under Red Brandywine were actually Brandywine. I often wonder if people just see colors slightly differently.

So, would the SSE catalog benefit from expanding their color options - perhaps having a "black" section for tomatoes that retain chlorophyll upon ripening - with either yellow (brown color) or clear (purple color) skin....maybe a section called "Bicolors" for that collection? "White"? I think that, due to the large numbers of tomatoes offered, potential crosses or mixups, or as I said, challenge in differentiation, the tomato section will always be less than completely accurate.

Man, it's good to be back home...

Suze · March 21, 2007

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Originally Posted by nctomatoman

My gosh, I go away for a few days and a 5 page post pops up !!

LOL.

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Originally Posted by nctomatoman

So, good question - why is Cherokee Purple in the Pink section? Well, when I grew it out, it was really, aside from Purple Calabash, the only more on the purple-than-pink-side available - quickly followed by Black Krim and Price's Purple. And, back then, the Other Colors area seemed to be for greens and whites and bicolors. Once something gets in the yearbook in a particular place, it seems impossible or at least very difficult to move.

I figured it was something like that.

I do wish my listing for Gary O hadn't been put in pink/purple, when I specifically and clearly listed it as "other". No idea what Robbins specified, but both our listings ended up in "pink/purple". Well, mine got put under another member code by mistake, but you know what I mean.

I wonder if that was driven by the fact that it is a BW/CP cross, and CP is already in pink/purple...

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Originally Posted by nctomatoman

Man, it's good to be back home...

And it's good to have you back!

Tania · March 21, 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suze

I do wish my listing for Gary O hadn't been put in pink/purple, when I specifically and clearly listed it as "other". No idea what Robbins specified, but both our listings ended up in "pink/purple". Well, mine got put under another member code by mistake, but you know what I mean.

I wonder if that was driven by the fact that it is a BW/CP cross, and CP is already in pink/purple...

Suze,

here is Robbins' writeup:

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70-75 days, large, 1+ lb fruit has the characteristics and qualities of Cherokee Purple on vigorous, indet., potato leaf plants which set well and rather early (as early as 68 days) for such large fruit, from Keith Mueller of Kansas City, MO, a pink-purple line derived from the Brandywine X Cherokee Purple cross

maybe that's why?

Suze · March 22, 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tania

Suze,

here is Robbins' writeup:

Quote:

70-75 days, large, 1+ lb fruit has the characteristics and qualities of Cherokee Purple on vigorous, indet., potato leaf plants which set well and rather early (as early as 68 days) for such large fruit, from Keith Mueller of Kansas City, MO, a pink-purple line derived from the Brandywine X Cherokee Purple cross

maybe that's why?

Perhaps that might have been a factor, but I can't speak for Robbins or her listing. For all I know, she submitted hers as a pink/purple.

My point is that they should not have changed my listing without asking me first. I submit that it was correctly classified as I had it (in 'other'):

On the other hand, real/obvious mistakes like Anna's Noire (listed right below Ananas Noire) do not get corrected.

I know the SSE isn't perfect, nor do I expect them to be. But I do wonder what the rationale is for what gets looked at, reviewed, changed, and why.

March 20, 2007	#47
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	Although, Suze's case is quite bad - if something like that had happened to me, I'd be likely very upset to say the least, not mentioning that other members might be requesting Suze's seeds from a wrong SSE members... ***** Thankfully Suze was able to work it out with the other SSE member so that all requests for those of her entries with that other person's code name will be forwarding Suze's requests to her. __________________ Carolyn

March 20, 2007	#48
Andrey_BY Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Minsk, Belarus, Eastern Europe (Zone 4a) Posts: 2,278	My Zolotoe Serdtse tomato had been entered as Zolotoj Serdtse for some reason in 2007 SSE Yearbook, but I've sent all in Excel and with right name to Joanne Somebody who corrected this don't know Russian grammer for sure __________________ 1 kg=2.2 lb , 1 m=39,37 in , 1 oz=28.35 g , 1 ft=30.48 cm , 1 lb= 0,4536 kg , 1 in=2.54 cm , 1 l = 0.26 gallon , 0 C=32 F Andrey a.k.a. TOMATODOR

March 20, 2007	#49
dice Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: PNW Posts: 4,743	The suggestion that SSE have an online data entry form for listed member submissions to the catalog could save SSE staff a lot of work and prevent a lot of the confusion described in the posts above, but it also raises security issues that they probably don't have now. (Becoming a listed member and mailing in a paper form would likely be considered too much trouble for ordinary malicious information vandals, but a form accessible on the Internet is quite a bit more convenient for creating havoc and wasting other people's time; cracking security is just part of the fun of it for high-tech juvenile delinquents). I am not saying, "Don't do it, it's not safe." I am only saying that the website and password security needs to be rigorous and professional if SSE wants to do this without creating problems that they don't have now. __________________ -- alias

March 21, 2007	#50
nctomatoman Tomatoville® Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hendersonville, NC zone 7 Posts: 10,385	My gosh, I go away for a few days and a 5 page post pops up !! So, good question - why is Cherokee Purple in the Pink section? Well, when I grew it out, it was really, aside from Purple Calabash, the only more on the purple-than-pink-side available - quickly followed by Black Krim and Price's Purple. And, back then, the Other Colors area seemed to be for greens and whites and bicolors. Once something gets in the yearbook in a particular place, it seems impossible or at least very difficult to move. Colors are tricky. Whenever I look through the yearbook, I note that quite a few tomatoes don't seem to be where they belong - new growers, especially, don't always get the pink/red distinction correct. I haven't checked recently, but the Brandywines were always a bit messy - quite a few listings under Red Brandywine were actually Brandywine. I often wonder if people just see colors slightly differently. So, would the SSE catalog benefit from expanding their color options - perhaps having a "black" section for tomatoes that retain chlorophyll upon ripening - with either yellow (brown color) or clear (purple color) skin....maybe a section called "Bicolors" for that collection? "White"? I think that, due to the large numbers of tomatoes offered, potential crosses or mixups, or as I said, challenge in differentiation, the tomato section will always be less than completely accurate. Man, it's good to be back home... __________________ Craig