November 3, 2009 | #46 |
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What rules?
All the articles I read have one setting out unfiltered containers. There is no way to control what microorganisms are collected. Early blight is fairly endemic to the southeast, so how can it be filtered out? This still sounds way woo woo to me. I think sticking to adding compost and mulch to the soil would be far more beneficial. |
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EM Trivia Red Cross sprays EM on bodies from Tsunami casualties before mass burial to prevent odors and spread of disease. EM used for mold remediation/cleanup after Katrina in New Orleans. EM approved for diaster recovery in US by FEMA. Gram positive Microorganisms (EM) found in salt water increase after natural disasters resulting in decrease of pathogenic bacteria. [Izzy wonders if this is connected in some way to red tide/brown tide we often get that causes a massive fish kill?] Terra Preta works hand-in-hand with EM-Bokashi by storing nutrients in soil, preventing leaching away. Purification of industrial wastewater using photosynthetic bacterial formula produces by-products used as food for animals and fish. Treated fish and birds grew/layed eggs at a significantly greater rate than controls. By-product of purified wastewater also dried and used as natural fertilizer. Production showed an increase in number of fruit per tree plus heavier, sweeter fruit. Quote:
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Well I think it all sounds really interesting. I hope you will keep updating this thread and keep us informed.
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Beeman and igarden, more is not better in this situation. Alot of the reading I did on this subject last winter shows that less is more. I've got a 2ltr bottle still 3/4 full of LB from this spring. It's about time for a soil drench, after garden clean up and building compost piles. Still got toms and no threat of frost yet though.
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There has been a number of comments requesting photos, so I thought I would include some of my garden taken earlier in the season. For the sceptics, just look at the lack of insect damage. Those radish (pic 4) were spotless till I pulled them. |
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Apple scab has been a major problem on an old Macintosh which was in the garden before me. Every year I've tried to eliminate with various chemicals and it always comes back. This year I've used ACT on it and there was no sign on any of the fruit we picked. I won't be certain till next year, but I believe I have fixed it. It would seem that if you can use ACT early in the cycle it will help to eliminate a variety of problems, but once the disease is well established not so much. |
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What I'm gathering here is that you guys don't really understand the science well enough to explain it, and that it would be best to pursue answers elseweb. |
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what about the pics that have been posted about the good effects of these concoctions? what about those of us who have had good experiences with these recipes?
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Correlation is not causation.
When ice cream sales go up in Great Briton, so do shark attacks, therefor we can conclude that eating ice cream causes shark attacks, right? There are so many variables in what y'all are doing, there is no way at this time to conclude which is helping, hurting, or doing nothing to the plants. Beeman mentions the lack of insect damage and credits spraying with his BIM, but were there even any bugs on the plants to begin with? And just the mechanical act of spraying can dislodge bugs, so if he had sprayed with water, would he have gotten the same results? And, say what if it was the effective microbes that made his garden so beautiful this time, what about next time? What if a wandering cat buried some poop a year ago in the leaf litter he scooped up to get beneficial indigenous microbes, and he gets a little e coli mixed in his concoction or a little salmonella from a snake that slithered through, then he sprays that on his lettuce? There are so many questions I would want answered before I would try this, and none of the articles I read addressed them. They were too busy with all the By-Gosh-By Golly-isn't-this-wonderful-we're-going-to-save-the-world stuff. |
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E coli comes from feces (manure), both human and animal. So unless you're stupid enough to put raw manure in your garden, complete with e coli and the anti-biotics, de-wormers etc, then the chance of getting e coli in ACT is very, very remote. If you insist on using manure it should be Thermally Composted and 'finished', or passed through a worm bin to remove any possibility of pathogens being passed on. Last edited by Mischka; November 6, 2009 at 02:19 PM. Reason: Personal attack/insult deleted |
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*headdesk maneuver*
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The mention of human excrement reminds me of an article I read in a Hydroponics book. After WWll ended and the occupational forces landed in Japan they started comming down with dysentery. The cause was the locally grown produce they were eating. Come to find out the Japanese had been using human excrement for centuries as a fertilizer for their crops. The locals had adapted to it so it didn't affect them. Solution, the military set up hydroponic stations to grow there greens untill they could import them.Ami
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