Actinovate with Iron

creister · February 25, 2010

Has anybody used this instead of actinovate? It is made by the same company. I saw it at a local store and was wondering if it could be used in lieu of plain actinovate? I have used neither product before.

Another question, can actinovate and myco innocualants be used together? Meaning will the actinovate cause the mycho fungi to die or not work?

amideutch · February 26, 2010

creister, yes Actinovate and Myco's can be used together. In fact I put Actinovate in my microbe tea prior to the 24 hour aeration.
Ami

amideutch · February 26, 2010

Here is a post by the markrting director for the folks that manufacture Actinovate and he posts here as boomtown. Ami

Actino-Iron is not water-soluble like Actinovate so you cannot apply as a drench. Most commercial growers use Actino-Iron as a soil additive when they go to plant in the ground. So the next time you order a bulk load of soil from your soil manufacturer, tell them to add Actino-Iron to it. Although Actino-Iron may also be used as a top dressing, Actinovate SP would be easier if you're simply using it as a preventative on existing plants.

For treatment of foliar disease, you would only use Actinvate since it can be applied as a spray. There is nothing in your bag of Actinovate except the microorganisms on a whey carrier. Our microorganisms are very powerful and that is why they can tackle the toughest of foliar disaeses. Actinovate works exceptionally well on powdery mildew. No secret ingredients just all-natural goodness!

recruiterg · February 26, 2010

Ami, I believe this has been covered before, but where do you buy Actinovate? I have not seen it in stores in my locality.

creister · February 26, 2010

If you google it, you should find several online vendors. Wormsway is one that comes to mind.

Wi-sunflower · February 26, 2010

I see that this product with the IRON is not soluble.

But there are soluble fert products that have Iron added options. DO NOT use a soluble Iron product on your tomato and pepper SEEDLINGS.

Trust me when I say you will regret it. I've killed quite a few peppers and some tomatoes before I knew what the problem was. Something as little as 1/2 % is enough to hurt small seedlings. When the plants are bigger or in the ground they can take it, but not when they are small.

Things that I've had problems with are "Roots w/ Iron" and competing similar products. Regular "Roots" works fine. It's just the added Iron product.

Some liquid fertilizer with added Iron has also stunted plants for me. I use a weak fertilizer solution in all my greenhouse water all the time to prevent the water from flushing out the neutrients. But if you seem to have slow or unusual for you growth, look at the label to see if there is Iron and change if there is.

I learned the hard way with lots of dead plants. Hopefully you won't have to.

Carol

Blueaussi · February 26, 2010

That's interesting. I've never heard that about iron before. I wonder if it's the form of iron, because I know I've used complete fertilizer products that had iron, and I've used the Maxicrop with iron before; and I haven't noticed any problems. I do dilute to about a quarter of the recommended strength for small seedlings, but I haven't noticed any real problems. Oh course, since I was watering them all with it, I might not have noticed any temporary stunting. I may have to do a side by side this year and see if I can tell a difference.

Wi-sunflower · February 26, 2010

I don't know either.

I just know that I've had problems with anything just germinated up to about 4 weeks or so. And only on Solinacae (sp) with hot peppers seeming to be the most vulnerable. It didn't bother any of the cole plants in the same greenhouse.

We do use various Milorganite blend products and it has Iron in it but the dry iron products don't seem to have that problem, at least not on the big plants out in the field.

I had 1 product that we had used for several years. Then we had a couple of years of odd growth. I didn't think to look at the label of that product at first. When I did I saw that they had changed to formula to add iron. As soon as we stopped using it, things grew better again.

Carol

amideutch · February 26, 2010

For Actinovate check out TCS Hydroponics out of Michigan. They sell it for $19.95.

http://www.tcs-hydroponics.com/doc/insectdisease.htm

Altgarden is the one I ordered out of this year and they carry Actinovate for $20.50

http://www.altgarden.com/store/cart....duct_list&c=97

bohica · March 5, 2010

Amideutch,
thanks for all of the info, I have recently done a boatload of research on actinovate as well as talk indepth with a few growers that had some serious pathogens in their soil that have use Actinovate successfully for the past 2 years to keep they disease issues at bay, after hearing so many positive aspects, we decided to carry it, I'll be using it for sure as a preventive and contact.

amideutch · March 6, 2010

bohica, when are you going to have it on your website? Ami

habitat_gardener · May 2, 2010

Can't believe it -- the local big box (OSH) is selling Actinovate. They have a coupon for $16.99, good for a couple weeks! It wouldn't have caught my eye if not for the discussions of it here.

bohica · May 3, 2010

Ami,
We currently have the Actinovate and Actinovate with Iron listed, sorry for the delay in reply.

February 25, 2010	#1
creister Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Abilene, TX zone 7 Posts: 1,478	Actinovate with Iron Has anybody used this instead of actinovate? It is made by the same company. I saw it at a local store and was wondering if it could be used in lieu of plain actinovate? I have used neither product before. Another question, can actinovate and myco innocualants be used together? Meaning will the actinovate cause the mycho fungi to die or not work?

February 26, 2010	#2
amideutch Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Germany 49°26"N 07°36"E Posts: 5,041	creister, yes Actinovate and Myco's can be used together. In fact I put Actinovate in my microbe tea prior to the 24 hour aeration. Ami __________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘...Holy Crap .....What a ride!' Last edited by amideutch; February 26, 2010 at 09:27 AM.

February 26, 2010	#3
amideutch Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Germany 49°26"N 07°36"E Posts: 5,041	Here is a post by the markrting director for the folks that manufacture Actinovate and he posts here as boomtown. Ami Actino-Iron is not water-soluble like Actinovate so you cannot apply as a drench. Most commercial growers use Actino-Iron as a soil additive when they go to plant in the ground. So the next time you order a bulk load of soil from your soil manufacturer, tell them to add Actino-Iron to it. Although Actino-Iron may also be used as a top dressing, Actinovate SP would be easier if you're simply using it as a preventative on existing plants. For treatment of foliar disease, you would only use Actinvate since it can be applied as a spray. There is nothing in your bag of Actinovate except the microorganisms on a whey carrier. Our microorganisms are very powerful and that is why they can tackle the toughest of foliar disaeses. Actinovate works exceptionally well on powdery mildew. No secret ingredients just all-natural goodness! __________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘...Holy Crap .....What a ride!'

February 26, 2010	#9
amideutch Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Germany 49°26"N 07°36"E Posts: 5,041	For Actinovate check out TCS Hydroponics out of Michigan. They sell it for $19.95. http://www.tcs-hydroponics.com/doc/insectdisease.htm Altgarden is the one I ordered out of this year and they carry Actinovate for $20.50 http://www.altgarden.com/store/cart....duct_list&c=97 __________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘...Holy Crap .....What a ride!'

March 6, 2010	#11
amideutch Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Germany 49°26"N 07°36"E Posts: 5,041	bohica, when are you going to have it on your website? Ami __________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘...Holy Crap .....What a ride!'

February 26, 2010	#4
recruiterg Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Edina, MN (Zone 4) Posts: 945	Ami, I believe this has been covered before, but where do you buy Actinovate? I have not seen it in stores in my locality.

February 26, 2010	#6
Wi-sunflower Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 2,591	I see that this product with the IRON is not soluble. But there are soluble fert products that have Iron added options. DO NOT use a soluble Iron product on your tomato and pepper SEEDLINGS. Trust me when I say you will regret it. I've killed quite a few peppers and some tomatoes before I knew what the problem was. Something as little as 1/2 % is enough to hurt small seedlings. When the plants are bigger or in the ground they can take it, but not when they are small. Things that I've had problems with are "Roots w/ Iron" and competing similar products. Regular "Roots" works fine. It's just the added Iron product. Some liquid fertilizer with added Iron has also stunted plants for me. I use a weak fertilizer solution in all my greenhouse water all the time to prevent the water from flushing out the neutrients. But if you seem to have slow or unusual for you growth, look at the label to see if there is Iron and change if there is. I learned the hard way with lots of dead plants. Hopefully you won't have to. Carol

February 26, 2010	#7
Blueaussi Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Carolina Zone 8a Posts: 1,205	That's interesting. I've never heard that about iron before. I wonder if it's the form of iron, because I know I've used complete fertilizer products that had iron, and I've used the Maxicrop with iron before; and I haven't noticed any problems. I do dilute to about a quarter of the recommended strength for small seedlings, but I haven't noticed any real problems. Oh course, since I was watering them all with it, I might not have noticed any temporary stunting. I may have to do a side by side this year and see if I can tell a difference.

March 5, 2010	#10
bohica Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: NY Posts: 113	Amideutch, thanks for all of the info, I have recently done a boatload of research on actinovate as well as talk indepth with a few growers that had some serious pathogens in their soil that have use Actinovate successfully for the past 2 years to keep they disease issues at bay, after hearing so many positive aspects, we decided to carry it, I'll be using it for sure as a preventive and contact.

May 2, 2010	#12
habitat_gardener Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: California Central Valley Posts: 2,540	Can't believe it -- the local big box (OSH) is selling Actinovate. They have a coupon for $16.99, good for a couple weeks! It wouldn't have caught my eye if not for the discussions of it here.

May 3, 2010	#13
bohica Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: NY Posts: 113	Ami, We currently have the Actinovate and Actinovate with Iron listed, sorry for the delay in reply.