Bonide Tom and Veg Spray, Fung, Mite, Insect

Dewayne mater · April 26, 2012

Purchased a Bonide product that is supposed to be a fungicide, miticide and insecticide. http://www.bonide.com/lbonide/backlabels/l6888.pdf

The active ingredients are Sulfur and Pyrethrins. I was about to spray it when I read the warnings and it said don't spray within 21 days of an oil spray. Good to know since I've sprayed Neem oil about a week ago. It also warns to not spray if its going to be 90, which sadly, it was yesterday and will be today!

Does anyone know the impact of spraying this product within 21 days of an oil spray? Has anyone had experience with the effectiveness of this product.

Finally, what is the difference in a Pyrethrin and Permethrin? The battle continues!

Dewayne mater.

RayR · April 26, 2012

Pyrethrin is the naturally occurring pyrethroid insecticide extracted from pyrethrum flowers.
Permethrin is a synthetic form of pyrethroid insecticide, a slightly different molecule from Pyrethrin. Permethrin takes longer to decay in air or sunlight and is more toxic. Both are highly toxic to aquatic life, but Permethrin has a higher toxicity to mammals. Both should be used with extreme care if you have pets, especially cats.

Dewayne mater · April 26, 2012

Ray - great info! Thank you. I have half my tomato garden in earth tainers on a drive way that no animals should be on and very little if any run off should occur. I think I'm ok to use this product there. Of much concern though is a raised bed I have in the back yard. My dog is a malti poo could easily decide to run through or dig in that bed, so, I think I should refrain from using this product on that bed at all. Plus, being in the soil, some run off is inevitable. No cats, but, at 7.5 pounds, Waffles doesn't have a huge margin to over come toxins. My thanks for this warning!

Dewayne mater

b54red · April 26, 2012

Permethrin and Pyrethrin are the main ingredients in flea sprays for dogs. Cats are more sensitive to it than dogs. The strength you will be using on your plants is probably milder than what dogs are dipped in to get rid of fleas. Since you are not soaking the dog in it there should be no problems. If you are worried just wait til the spray is dry before allowing the dog in the area. Permethrin is much milder and shorter lived than something like Malathion. Usually the wait time is the same day or one day so it is obviously not very toxic.

The sulfur is what is effective against mites; but it is useless for me because we rarely have days less than 90 once May gets here and the mites usually show up a little later. The pyrethroids will be effective for a short time but you have to spray them over and over to even keep the mites at bay. I had some success last year using a spray with Permethrin and an insect growth regulator (IGR) and will try it again this year when the mites show up again.

April 26, 2012	#1
Dewayne mater Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2008 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 1,212	Bonide Tom and Veg Spray, Fung, Mite, Insect Purchased a Bonide product that is supposed to be a fungicide, miticide and insecticide. http://www.bonide.com/lbonide/backlabels/l6888.pdf The active ingredients are Sulfur and Pyrethrins. I was about to spray it when I read the warnings and it said don't spray within 21 days of an oil spray. Good to know since I've sprayed Neem oil about a week ago. It also warns to not spray if its going to be 90, which sadly, it was yesterday and will be today! Does anyone know the impact of spraying this product within 21 days of an oil spray? Has anyone had experience with the effectiveness of this product. Finally, what is the difference in a Pyrethrin and Permethrin? The battle continues! Dewayne mater.

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April 26, 2012	#2
RayR Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Cheektowaga, NY Posts: 2,464	Pyrethrin is the naturally occurring pyrethroid insecticide extracted from pyrethrum flowers. Permethrin is a synthetic form of pyrethroid insecticide, a slightly different molecule from Pyrethrin. Permethrin takes longer to decay in air or sunlight and is more toxic. Both are highly toxic to aquatic life, but Permethrin has a higher toxicity to mammals. Both should be used with extreme care if you have pets, especially cats.

April 26, 2012	#4
b54red Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 7,068	Permethrin and Pyrethrin are the main ingredients in flea sprays for dogs. Cats are more sensitive to it than dogs. The strength you will be using on your plants is probably milder than what dogs are dipped in to get rid of fleas. Since you are not soaking the dog in it there should be no problems. If you are worried just wait til the spray is dry before allowing the dog in the area. Permethrin is much milder and shorter lived than something like Malathion. Usually the wait time is the same day or one day so it is obviously not very toxic. The sulfur is what is effective against mites; but it is useless for me because we rarely have days less than 90 once May gets here and the mites usually show up a little later. The pyrethroids will be effective for a short time but you have to spray them over and over to even keep the mites at bay. I had some success last year using a spray with Permethrin and an insect growth regulator (IGR) and will try it again this year when the mites show up again.