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August 21, 2012 | #1 |
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"Brown Cherry" Tomato different types, shapes, origins?
hi,
I wished you could help me out - I am 'trying' to grow a variety called "brown cherry" (not to be confused with "brown berry") next year and found contradictory info on the web. On Tatiana's website it says, that it's plum-shaped (which is a way to differentiate it from "brown berry") and that it's been bred by C. Wyatt, only he has left hardly info on it. L. Fichot has grown a "Brown Cherry" too, and this is plum-shaped and looks very much like "Brown Egg Cherry" a variety archived by G. Bohl in Germany (not to be confused with black plum as it' oval-shaped and not plum-shaped). Then there is a shop-info in Canada selling "brown cherry",saying it is very large 1,5" to 2" (and from Russia???) which is definitely bigger than "brown berry" but looks round, too. So now I really want to find it out, even though it seems nerdy... Maybe someone's grown it? Thank you and hello to everybody, since I've signed here an hour ago anothernewmember |
August 23, 2012 | #2 |
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http://search.aol.com/aol/image?q=br...yword_rollover Welcome,this is what pops up here on a search.
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August 24, 2012 | #3 |
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Hi,
thanks, doing a .com search instead of a doing .de search is surely an idea. Seemingly it does result in the usual Brown Berry / Brown CHerry mix-up though. Thing is, my plan's to grow some brown/black varieties side by side for comparison and I already have brown berry and I was really interested in brown cherry, as it said "bred by the late c. Wyatt who left hardly any notes"; seems not too many here have grown it either . Well, I guess that I'll have to plant (nd buy) all the brown-cherry-seeds available (which are 3 so far) andsee if there's any difference. Maybe that will mean 4x brown berry and my space is limited... Thankyou anyway |
August 24, 2012 | #4 |
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I grew a tomato called Brown Cherry in 2005. I bought it as a seedling (probably at the local master gardener seedling sale -- I'll ask if anyone remembers it) and iirc it was oval, possibly a fat oval, not plum shaped -- but I don't have a photo or any more info on it, and that was before I saved seed. I grew it near Black Cherry and it was easy to tell them apart by the color and shape. I liked it (I noted "good" for Brown Cherry but "wonderful" for Black Cherry) but my notes don't say more than that.*
I've also grown Brown Berry (in 2008), which is round, and Black Plum (several times), which is plum shaped. iirc Brown Cherry was about the same size as Black Plum in my garden, but I didn't grow them the same year. In addition, I've grown Chocolate Cherry (2009) and Black Pearl F1 (2007). One of the sources listed on tatiana's tomatobase http://t.tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Brown_Cherry is Blue Ribbon Tomatoes, 2009. I looked on Maria's current list and it's not there, but it's possible she may recall it -- ask mariabee63 at hotmail dot com The Sample Seed Shop is offering a variety called Brown Cherry but also has little info on it. http://www.sampleseeds.com/?page_id=65 This place sells seed in bulk and, again, no info at all on it. http://www.snowseedco.com/vegetables.../brown_cherry/ *[as I was looking through my notes, I thought, why would I try anything else if Black Cherry was wonderful? Because it was great for a couple years, then I got mislabeled seedlings and plants that did not do well. Also, it's fun to try different ones. I also realized that Black Plum has been reliable and prolific every time I've grown it. I like larger cherries, so Brown Cherry would be #3 on my list if I found it again.] |
August 24, 2012 | #5 |
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thanks
Wow, that's a lot of info, thankyou for this elaborate post! Now my reason for searching is very much like yours (how do others rival black cherry).
Does this resemble your brown cherry (http://www.essaime-artomate.be/modeles/browncherry.html and [in german] http://s9y.tomatenundanderes.at/inde...tabtomate.html trybabelfish http://jo.tomatenundanderes.at/index...rt&Itemid=29)? So I might have a source for this one thankyou once more |
August 24, 2012 | #6 |
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so my conclusion is, that there might be two varietiesaround called "brown cherry"
one originating in Sri Lanka (Ceylon) and probably identical to "brown egg cherry" and another one bred by C. Wyatt which is large (fruited), round (as it looks like brown berry) and a productive plant So the two will be on my list. Great forum by theway Last edited by anothernewmember; August 24, 2012 at 05:49 AM. Reason: wrong description |
August 24, 2012 | #7 |
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http://www.tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=15523
Above, some additional information. When I tried Googling all of this I'm tending to think that in many places Brown Cherry and Brown Berry are just two different names for the same variety, but see below, although I do know that Sahin Seeds bred Brown Berry as noted in the above link. But I have real problems with Chuck Wyatt being referred to as a breeder who bred Brown Berry. Chuck passed away in June of 2002 and I knew him well for many many years. I know he grew Brandywine ( Sudduth) and made selections from it to try and get an earlier Brandywine, he called it Joyce's, his wifes name. But it turned out that when grown by many folks it was not earlier. But I never knew him to breed anything. For the several years before he passed on he was very confused, I won't go into the medical details, but he mixed up names, wrongly labelled jars with seeds, substituted one variety for another when sending out seeds, etc. Donna, who now runs the site was the person who did most of his seed packing for him and had never grown a tomato, I don't know if she has so far. Chuck's wife Joyce asked if I would help out Donna, and I did the best I could, but it just wasn't working out well since I was put in the position of answering lots and lots of questions. And of course I never knew exactly what was being sent to folks who bought seeds from Chuck. And what she did, which I think was correct, was to say at the website that she would answer no questions. So it's my opinion that Chuck never bred anything called Brown Cherry and it couldn't have been confused with Brown Berry since Sahin Seeds released that one after Chuck passed on. A brown cherry from Ceylon? I won't call it a named variety such as Brown Cherry. Could be since there are so called wild native types in the Phillippines, Nagcaralan is one, which are totally unstable and give different colored smallish fruits all the time. There's a thread or two about that here as well. The Spanish distributed tomato seeds early on to parts of Asia that were on their trade routes so no problem, at least for me, to accept that there were and probably still is smallish brown native varieties such as Nagcarlan and others. Hope that helps.
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August 24, 2012 | #8 |
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thankyou carolyn,
that helps a lot. And I'm sorry for quoting this "C. Wyatt bred" thing, my infos were just that: a collection of quotes, I did not suggest he "bred brown berry" though. These contradictory quotes were the actual reason for my post here. Ceylon as origin ison L.Fichot's site. I'll just grow that one (Brown Egg Cherry) and another one I bought as "Brown Cherry". Hopefully then I'll find out more. Thanks to everyone and Ireally didn't want to spread any rumours, especially when someone's passed away, actually Ireally hate that, too |
August 24, 2012 | #9 |
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Yes, the 3 descriptions do sound similar to what I recall growing once, 7 years ago. They also say it's similar to the Russian commercial variety Black Mavr, which I haven't grown, and that one is listed as Chernyi Mavr and described at
http://t.tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Black_Mavr Tania says the flavor is better than Black Plum, so I want to grow this someday. I've also seen a "Brown Cherry" in a Renee's Garden packet of mixed seeds, but it's round, and it looks like this packet is no longer available. http://liveplants.narod.ru/rainbow_m...ry_tomato.html |
August 24, 2012 | #10 |
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And here's a 2007 Tomatoville thread with pictures. A person in Belgium got both Brown Cherry and Brown Egg Cherry in trades and the fruits looked the same.
http://www.tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=3618 I also found a photo of Brown Egg Cherry taken in 2005 in Belgium -- this one looks a little more plum shaped. https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...full-exif=true Last edited by habitat_gardener; August 24, 2012 at 03:27 PM. |
August 24, 2012 | #11 |
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ok, I'm still googling and finding "interesting" names
Here's a Dutch seed seller that lists OLIJFTOMAATJE 'Black Moor' / 'Brown Egg Cherry' / 'De Berao Black' / 'De berao Tschernyj' (Eng: Olive Tomato) http://www.vreeken.nl/art291165-olij..._tschernyj.htm But then another Dutch seller http://www.zaadgids.nl/upload/docs/0...n_en_Fruit.pdf lists VLEESTOMAAT 'Emerald Apple' / 'Izumrudnoe Jaloko' / 'Lime Green Salad' / 'Aunt Ruby's German Green' which are very different varieties, so I'm wondering if the name confusion came from seed sellers who sell seeds by color rather than keeping named varieties separate. |
August 24, 2012 | #12 |
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hey, you're better at googling than me...On http://tomaten.bplaced.net/tomatenhahm.html it says it's VERY similar to Black Mavr, but the plants bigger. Guess we've eventually got some info together!
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