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OK, here's another two cents worth thrown into this discussion.
I just minutes ago extracted exactly 66 seeds of the hybrid of Sub Arctic Plenty X Clackamas Blueberry tomatoes. How would or should I market such an F-1? Say I save six seed for myself..a couple to grow out and four to save for backup...that makes 60 seed I could sell on my website. If I pack the envelopes one seed per...what price do I charge? $1 or $5? People would pay for the research and breeding efforts, wouldn't they? The hybrid would be productive, compact, with red salad size fruits with a hint of blue on the shoulders or where the fruit is exposed to the sun. The flavor would be good for an early but not super outstanding. The hybrid would not be the end product...the resulting segregations that go on for several generation would hopefully result in a super early deeply colored blue with red flesh. Could it be the contest between the sixty buyers to come up with the best clone be reward enough? That is my theory. What would the hybrid be called? Sub Blue, Arctic Blue, Plenty Blue, Arctic Blueberry, Early Clackamas Blueberry? Or should those names be parceled out to the resulting clones and may the best clone win? Want to know more about the parents of this hybrid? Sure enough...see below. Sub-Arctic Plenty or World's Earliest Tomato Hat tip to Baker Creek... Quote:
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Tom, I really want to thank you for the past two messages you posted. I read them and reread them, and I get more out of watching your youtube channel and reading your comments than a whole lot of other stuff combined. You are a great inspiration to a new tomato breeder. I guess the reason I want to sell f1 seed is the following - if I can create a cultivar with yield similar to commercial tomatoes with a superior flavor I can market it in the gourmet tomato market, and with all due respect to the "kumato" I think I can beat this in quality and taste (in yield we will see). Selling it to certain growers and creating a marketing scheme seems like a viable solution. The only isssue I have is possibley Big Brother - these multinationals are pretty tight with regulators in various governments and surely don't want to let the little guys in. And I don't know how I could make money by giving away my unique OP germoplasm - one seed gone from me into the wild and everyone on earth can recreate it without me. Again Tom, thanks so much. I truly feel I have a lot I could learn from you. Best regards, SK |
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Elaboring on the F1 phenomea - commercial greenhouses usually don't have the time/money to create heterosis in their crops, but still desire this factor to increase yield, therefore selling to certain commercial growers (if you can match quality/quanity of the big guys) seems like a way "in."
Now I may not have the economies of scale like the big guys have, I also don't have the overhead of a big bureaucratic company, plus I don't rely on breeding as my primary income, it is at this stage, purely a hobby. I think the gourmet tomato market is ripe for little guys prying their way in. Kumato is an example, the other example is the one that I posted form that Israeli firm. They sell alledgely top quality F1 seed and make a pretty penny out of it. Last edited by snugglekitten; August 22, 2014 at 07:01 AM. |
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What Israeli firm on these pages?Are you referring to your $350,000 post.I grow Kumatos and they are from a company called Sygenta.Now I am really dazed and confused!
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August 22, 2014 | #23 |
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Snugglekitten,
You might want to consider scaling back on the sarcasm, and baiting. Lest folks start concluding that you are just another one of those folks who show up with "questions" when it is really the sound of their own voice that they want to hear. And if it is fights you want, the internet is full of better forums for that. |
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I will stay here as long as there are people who want to talk about tomatoes. If people want to talk nonense I would suggest they go elsewhere. Do you have anything to add to this thread about F1 seed or do you want to talk about something else? Becuase so far only Tom seems capable of sticking to the topic. Thats not how you attract new people to small forums. If a few people post here all day with nonsense to speak and nothing to add to discussions than this forum will remain small. So kindly don't reply if you don't have anything useful to share, for the sake of this forum's quality. If this is the place for a few people to hang out and insult newcomvers than God help this forum. From now on people - lets talk about F1 seed on this thread - and please talk the petty small talk elsewhere. |
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August 22, 2014 | #25 |
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I think it is necessary to consider the reality of farmers and growers when attempting to break into any seed market.
1. Farmers need to buy seed from vendors who can be depended upon to sell seed into the future, and they need to know that it will be truly what they think they are buying. Farmers have small margins, and large risks and they can't afford to add "will the seed work?" to the list of risks. 2. Farmers need to buy seed from vendors who can sell them a little now, and thousands of seeds (or pounds of seed) later. If a variety is great, there is nothing more frustrating than to not be able to get more seed the next year. 3. Those of us who breed small-scale can not meet these needs, without partners. 4. I think we can do lots of interesting breeding at a small scale, but it would be the rare individual who could breed exceptional lines and also single-handedly bulk up production and market those lines (particularly in the case of F1 hybrids). The person probably doesn't exist. |
August 22, 2014 | #26 |
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Wow snugglekitten. I was going to talk about F1's, but I don't think I will bother now.....
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1. This is not a small forum.
2. There is no need for this forum to attract anyone. 3. Tom has a forum. Quote:
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August 22, 2014 | #28 |
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Wow, indeed. A certain level of discomfort reading these posts - from now on seeing postings from snugglekitten will result in SOB (scroll on by) by this old lady. He/She seems to have no compunction asking for help and expertise from members of "a small forum" while dealing out sarcasm and giving orders on how we should reply. Hmmph.
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SK, I am happy to know I addressed your questions somewhat fairly.
As a moderator of this sub forum...I must be diligent to optimize the usefulness of this forum and to suggest civility. Thanks in advance for your cooperation. The topic (F-1 Seed Company) and questions/statements/opinions started by SK should be adhered to. Thanks, Fred for the following points.... Quote:
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Yes, Fred, I have a forum. It is one to be all about my work in breeding and I try to keep it that way. I talk (write) about my work in a very selfish way...however on TVille, I try to be less about myself and more about the other person...seemingly I do fail on that point, but I am human. I try to be a fair moderator on both sites. My forum is really small 959 threads 6,780 posts compare that to tomatoville.com Threads: 32,507, Posts: 421,062 the final point: There is no need for this forum to attract anyone. I actually do write to attract attention. I want this forum to be the go to site for information and to be a fully open forum allowing for all kinds of opinions as long as they are trully civil. |
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