Worth's Peppers and Tomatoes For 2016. - Page 60

Cole_Robbie · July 8, 2016

My thought about the way deer move over land is that it resembles the way water flows. They take the path of least resistance. If a 12' fence is a mile long and crosses a regular deer path, they are still probably going to jump it, especially if running scared.

But my fence is only 5' in some places, and not even completed all the way around. I know from gardening in the same spot most of my life the direction that the deer travel. I make it easy for them to just walk around my fence, because they are lazy and don't jump unless they need to. Like the flow of water, don't try to stand in opposition to the flow of the deer, or else you end up absorbing a huge pressure against your efforts.

AlittleSalt · July 8, 2016

The deer do have certain paths here - most go SE to NW around 50'-100' behind the garden and house.

Worth1 · July 8, 2016

Deer paths, the back or my place looks like a Boston street map.
Worth

Worth1 · July 8, 2016

The other day I watered the sweet potato vines for them.
Im curious to know if anything is growing under ground.

Worth

BlackBear · July 8, 2016

more economical than fence building !

Worth1 · July 11, 2016

My wild pepper bush I am picking them today and fermenting them along with other peppers.

When everything else is drooping from heat and lack of water this thing keeps on trucking.
The mother plant of this one was dug up in the woods in this area of Texas.
It truly is wild and adapted to the area.
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Worth1 · July 17, 2016

I just fertilized a small section of my peppers yesterday with a whole bottle of MG plant food.

I put it in the thing turned it on and immediately got involved in something else and forgot about it.

I went back out after I thought to myself (oh crap) and it was empty.

Worth

dmforcier · July 17, 2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by Worth1

Texas deer taste like tacos.

Strangely, so does Texas Italian food.

Ever look in the kitchen?

dmforcier · July 17, 2016

The only effective way to control the deer population is to re-introduce wolves.

Then re-introduce Indians to control the wolves and the deer.

According to a recent Nature special, coyotes are now filling the niche left by wolves, partly by cross-breeding with wolves. In Atlanta I watched a coyote the size of a German Shepherd running a half grown deer that I had seen with it's herd a couple nights earlier. It was easily big enough to take the deer, and probably wasn't alone.
Coy-wolves supposedly haven't spread far south, so they must be getting bigger all on their own. We may have to go straight to the Indians.

Worth1 · July 17, 2016

Yellowstone was the first big disaster in the history of man meddling with nature in the US.
Quite the read if you can find it on the web.
It started right after they opened the place up.
Native Americans aren't interested in wolf hunting anymore, more profit in casinos.

Worth

bower · July 17, 2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cole_Robbie

My thought about the way deer move over land is that it resembles the way water flows. They take the path of least resistance. If a 12' fence is a mile long and crosses a regular deer path, they are still probably going to jump it, especially if running scared.

But my fence is only 5' in some places, and not even completed all the way around. I know from gardening in the same spot most of my life the direction that the deer travel. I make it easy for them to just walk around my fence, because they are lazy and don't jump unless they need to. Like the flow of water, don't try to stand in opposition to the flow of the deer, or else you end up absorbing a huge pressure against your efforts.

I have given a LOT of thought to this concept. How to construct the ultimate Moose Bypass and redirect the flow. A moose is not going to be stopped by a fence in the mooseway, nor turn around and go back where it came from.

You basically have to construct a proper detour and make it really easy for them, and appealing.

dmforcier · July 17, 2016

Yet since the re-intro of wolves, Yellowstone is doing very well. E.g. the elk don't hang in the river bottoms now, allowing the riverine ecology to recover.

An over-simplified note on the critical nature of predators in Africa: With big predators gone, the herds spread out and eat everything, causing desertification. When the herds (even domestic herds) are managed as if there were predators present - bunched and moved quickly from place to place - they thrive because the flora thrives!

Cole_Robbie · July 17, 2016

I had a 95 lb male German Shepherd who was too tall for the breeding standard. I have seen coyotes as big as him, one of which was close to house and not afraid of me at all.

Worth1 · July 18, 2016

Pepper report.
Very impressed with the yellow and red mushroom peppers and Jamaican hot red and yellows.
Any of the squash type peppers have always done well here.
Lemon drop and Aji Amarillo (small) is a waste of space as far as I am concerned.
They produce but I simply dont care for them thin walled no flavor and seedy.
Cant say enough good about Fresno.

Some of the others were shaded by other tomato plants and didn't do well.
'Those plants are pulled and they should pick up the pace.
Others just up and died.

AlittleSalt · July 18, 2016

I don't know if you like sweet peppers, but we are growing Sweet Cayenne this year. The plants have dark green leaves and the peppers seem to hold up better to direct summer sun and heat than others we are growing.

Sweet Cayenne has made our must-grow list.

July 11, 2016	#891
Worth1 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Den of Drunken Fools Posts: 38,539	My wild pepper bush I am picking them today and fermenting them along with other peppers. When everything else is drooping from heat and lack of water this thing keeps on trucking. The mother plant of this one was dug up in the woods in this area of Texas. It truly is wild and adapted to the area. Worth IMG_20160711_42802.jpg Last edited by Worth1; July 11, 2016 at 02:19 PM.

July 17, 2016	#894
dmforcier Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,825	The only effective way to control the deer population is to re-introduce wolves. Then re-introduce Indians to control the wolves and the deer. According to a recent Nature special, coyotes are now filling the niche left by wolves, partly by cross-breeding with wolves. In Atlanta I watched a coyote the size of a German Shepherd running a half grown deer that I had seen with it's herd a couple nights earlier. It was easily big enough to take the deer, and probably wasn't alone. Coy-wolves supposedly haven't spread far south, so they must be getting bigger all on their own. We may have to go straight to the Indians. __________________ Stupidity got us into this mess. Why can't it get us out? - Will Rogers

July 17, 2016	#897
dmforcier Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,825	Yet since the re-intro of wolves, Yellowstone is doing very well. E.g. the elk don't hang in the river bottoms now, allowing the riverine ecology to recover. An over-simplified note on the critical nature of predators in Africa: With big predators gone, the herds spread out and eat everything, causing desertification. When the herds (even domestic herds) are managed as if there were predators present - bunched and moved quickly from place to place - they thrive because the flora thrives! __________________ Stupidity got us into this mess. Why can't it get us out? - Will Rogers

July 18, 2016	#899
Worth1 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Den of Drunken Fools Posts: 38,539	Pepper report. Pepper report. Very impressed with the yellow and red mushroom peppers and Jamaican hot red and yellows. Any of the squash type peppers have always done well here. Lemon drop and Aji Amarillo (small) is a waste of space as far as I am concerned. They produce but I simply dont care for them thin walled no flavor and seedy. Cant say enough good about Fresno. Some of the others were shaded by other tomato plants and didn't do well. 'Those plants are pulled and they should pick up the pace. Others just up and died.

July 8, 2016	#886
Cole_Robbie Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Illinois, zone 6 Posts: 8,407	My thought about the way deer move over land is that it resembles the way water flows. They take the path of least resistance. If a 12' fence is a mile long and crosses a regular deer path, they are still probably going to jump it, especially if running scared. But my fence is only 5' in some places, and not even completed all the way around. I know from gardening in the same spot most of my life the direction that the deer travel. I make it easy for them to just walk around my fence, because they are lazy and don't jump unless they need to. Like the flow of water, don't try to stand in opposition to the flow of the deer, or else you end up absorbing a huge pressure against your efforts.

July 8, 2016	#887
AlittleSalt BANNED FOR LIFE Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 13,333	The deer do have certain paths here - most go SE to NW around 50'-100' behind the garden and house.

July 8, 2016	#888
Worth1 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Den of Drunken Fools Posts: 38,539	Deer paths, the back or my place looks like a Boston street map. Worth

July 8, 2016	#889
Worth1 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Den of Drunken Fools Posts: 38,539	The other day I watered the sweet potato vines for them. Im curious to know if anything is growing under ground. Worth

July 17, 2016	#892
Worth1 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Den of Drunken Fools Posts: 38,539	I just fertilized a small section of my peppers yesterday with a whole bottle of MG plant food. I put it in the thing turned it on and immediately got involved in something else and forgot about it. I went back out after I thought to myself (oh crap) and it was empty. Worth

July 17, 2016	#895
Worth1 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Den of Drunken Fools Posts: 38,539	Yellowstone was the first big disaster in the history of man meddling with nature in the US. Quite the read if you can find it on the web. It started right after they opened the place up. Native Americans aren't interested in wolf hunting anymore, more profit in casinos. Worth

July 17, 2016	#898
Cole_Robbie Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Illinois, zone 6 Posts: 8,407	I had a 95 lb male German Shepherd who was too tall for the breeding standard. I have seen coyotes as big as him, one of which was close to house and not afraid of me at all.

July 18, 2016	#900
AlittleSalt BANNED FOR LIFE Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 13,333	I don't know if you like sweet peppers, but we are growing Sweet Cayenne this year. The plants have dark green leaves and the peppers seem to hold up better to direct summer sun and heat than others we are growing. Sweet Cayenne has made our must-grow list.