Starting 87 Year Old Seeds - Page 4

gardenfrog · March 5, 2017

I recently purchased some tobacco seeds from Sustainable Seed Company from a 300-year-old indian site. Those seeds sprouted and created tobacco with huge leaves...unique to what is known today. Though I'm not a smoker, the idea of growing something that has not been changed by time is intriguing and satisfying.

Years ago I tried to recreate prehistoric growing conditions for hatching of two Emu eggs. Evidence is pretty clear that ancestors of modern birds could have been the terrifyingly-huge creatures we have seen recreated in "Jurassic Park". As far as the experiment went...My wife and teenage son thought I was nuts! It caused a lot of stress in the family, so I decided to keep peace in the family, cook a healthy batch of Emu scrambled eggs for the dogs and look for other opportunities of exploration (There are many!).

87-year-old tomato seeds sounds doable to me if the conditions are right. I wish MIgardener all the success in the world as well as all the fun he can reap from his journeys in the soil!!!

Hellmanns · March 5, 2017

John, in no way am I calling you out, or trying to criticize you, or others with my comments and observations on the video.

I also took note of his wife thinking of subscribers first and foremost when he excitedly called her unscripted in the second video @9:25. So, it seems their subscriber count is the most exciting topic between the two of them.

There is big bucks in a YouTube channel that has that many subscribers. The problem is, the channel has to publish new and exciting content on a regular basis to pick up new subscribers, and to keep old ones from hitting the unsubscribe button. Also, now learning he sells seeds from home adds quite a bit to this..If just 10% of 103,000 subscribers wants a $1 pack of seed from this no longer available variety it's a pretty big win for him.

JohnJones · March 5, 2017

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Originally Posted by Hellmanns

John, in no way am I calling you out, or trying to criticize you, or others with my comments and observations on the video.

I also took note of his wife thinking of subscribers first and foremost when he excitedly called her unscripted in the second video @9:25. So, it seems their subscriber count is the most exciting topic between the two of them.

There is big bucks in a YouTube channel that has that many subscribers. The problem is, the channel has to publish new and exciting content on a regular basis to pick up new subscribers, and to keep old ones from hitting the unsubscribe button. Also, now learning he sells seeds from home adds quite a bit to this..If just 10% of 103,000 subscribers wants a $1 pack of seed from this no longer available variety it's a pretty big win for him.

Hellman, thanks and in no way did I think you were calling me out. I also apologize if I was a bit aggressive defending him.

As I've said, I agree with many of the questions about the age of the display box and I think the story from the seller has holes based on that.

I still believe the seed packs and seeds are likely genuine and are old. I have actually been trying to figure out where the 1930 date comes from. I don't see it on the packs, does anyone else? If he is believing the story of the seller completely that seems to be a mistake.

I don't see dishonesty in this young couple, maybe naïveté. I also have no issue with the promoting part of the videos. They are trying to build a business and it takes that.

Still very interested to see him grow out any surviving seedlings.

oakley · March 5, 2017

I have no issues with you posting. Interesting.
I've not run into this persons videos but it is a different generation of reality TV now
i see on youtube. And not surprised with so much advertising revenue.
(he is a bit high-strung and over-bearing) a little...

That is just a difference in personality i suppose. I would rather eat glass that hold a
selfie stick, but others can't stop. When someone has a need to film themselves all
week and share it publicly....it has to come with a bit of skepticism. It does reek of mild
deceit somewhere. Either the seller or the buyer. Show-boating, hype.

New old stock of everything is in homes and barns all over and most have no interest.
Why they are sold on E-bay, Etsy. (it is valuable if someone is willing to pay for it)

My only real issue is the lack of research and not 'waking' up old seed carefully.
Dumping in full packs. Drum roll. Whispering. Drama. (toss in a few viable newer seeds
from the home/business collection). The excitement seemed false to me. But minor deceit? They have to live with that. If it is, but no way to know. They get to live with it if it is so. (i realize he did not empty the entire tomato pack but it was still careless)

A better lesson would be, for so many watching, would be a mention of many of the
methods to wake up old seeds. The embryo might be in good shape, but its seed case might have hardened and the carbohydrates and minerals usually inside might have been compromised or dried out. That needs to be available immediately unlike my recent seeding that is up in 4-5 days being fresh seed.

I do agree that getting a younger generation involved in gardening is a win.

Worth1 · March 5, 2017

They may have been invented in the 30's but they didn't come into use until way later.
Even electrical boxes didn't start using them until the 90's

Worth1 · March 5, 2017

Sure they did I have all sorts of stuff from back then that was printed in color.

Lets look at something else.
Unless they cleaned this critter up really well it would be covered in tobacco smoke.
Everybody smoked everywhere back then and up until the early 80's even.
This is the way I see it.
The frame is a fake so the seeds are a fake they may be old but not that old.

As for the guy I cant stand to watch his videos he gets on my nerves big time.

Saying things like put together and assembled back to back drives me nuts.
They both mean the same thing, it is almost as bad as saying done done it.

Yes people like him, it is nice that maybe they are getting into gardening due to him.
He has a nice wife and baby.
Fine he still drives me nuts.

I cannot express to you guys how easy it is to con people.
I used to do it for fun.

Never will forget the time I had a guy convinced with little effort that he was holding one of Hitlers personal Luger pistols at a gun shop.
The guy was about to dump money on it before we told him it was a joke.

Then there was the Goering hunting rifle story.

In both cases the price was too good to turn down but way higher than they were worth.
Both cases they were people we knew not strangers off the street.
This is how you rip people off by using their own greed against them.
They cant give you money fast enough.

Worth

Hellmanns · March 5, 2017

I happened to see "AMS" stamped into the metal hanging bracket as he was removing it from the shadow box. A Google search revealed that the company was founded in 1976.
http://www.artmaterialsservice.com
I also searched for the listing on Etsy, but I can't find it.
At this point, I feel like this kid put all of this together in his garage for the reasons I outlined earlier.

JohnJones · March 5, 2017

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Originally Posted by Hellmanns

I happened to see "AMS" stamped into the metal hanging bracket as he was removing it from the shadow box. A Google search revealed that the company was founded in 1976.
http://www.artmaterialsservice.com
I also searched for the listing on Etsy, but I can't find it.
At this point, I feel like this kid put all of this together in his garage for the reasons I outlined earlier.

Well if he did then I would agree he is a scam artist of the first order. I still don't think that.

Hellmanns · March 5, 2017

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Originally Posted by JohnJones

Well if he did then I would agree he is a scam artist of the first order. I still don't think that.

It's 100% now that the frame is fake. They didn't use staples back then either, they used tacks on that type project. The Arrow Staple gun wasn't invented until the 50's.
https://www.arrowfastener.com

I also wonder why he opened the box from the bottom? "I've" never done that before, and I've opened several boxes in my days. I always open the top where the shipping label is.

JohnJones · March 5, 2017

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Originally Posted by Hellmanns

It's 100% now that the frame is fake. They didn't use staples back then either, they used tacks on that type project. The Arrow Staple gun wasn't invented until the 50's.
https://www.arrowfastener.com

I also wonder why he opened the box from the bottom? "I've" never done that before, and I've opened several boxes in my days. I always open the top where the shipping label is.

I believe (and have said) that the story of the shadowbox is inaccurate. Either he was lied to or the story was misunderstood by him or someone else in the chain of the item's ownership. Or somebody is lying, possibly him or the seller. I tend to fall on the misunderstood story before accusing someone of a fake or lie, but it's certainly possible.

I had also wondered about opening from the bottom and concluded he was trying not to show personal info on the shipping label. I also noted that the item was packed very well for shipping, especially if he faked it.

Hellmanns · March 5, 2017

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Originally Posted by JohnJones

I believe (and have said) that the story of the shadowbox is inaccurate. Either he was lied to or the story was misunderstood by him or someone else in the chain of the item's ownership. Or somebody is lying, possibly him or the seller. I tend to fall on the misunderstood story before accusing someone of a fake or lie, but it's certainly possible.

I had also wondered about opening from the bottom and concluded he was trying not to show personal info on the shipping label. I also noted that the item was packed very well for shipping, especially if he faked it.

He has a seed business, why would he not want anyone to see his personal information? Unless..There was no shipping label..

Worth1 · March 5, 2017

You would think more people would have called him out on this but they haven't.
This is because he can go in and delete any reply he wants to.
Has he done this I dont know but I would suspect he has.

Worth

Hellmanns · March 5, 2017

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Originally Posted by Worth1

You would think more people would have called him out on this but they haven't.
This is because he can go in and delete any reply he wants to.
Has he done this I dont know but I would suspect he has.

Worth

His channel caters to millennials. For the most part, they don't question. But they should.

BigVanVader · March 5, 2017

I've watched several of his vids and IMO he gives out a lot of bad information. I also think the vid in question is a dramatic ploy to get subscribers. I have followed most garden channels at some point and many start innocently but then become slaves to the dollar and start trying to create"cutting edge content"

Hellmanns · March 5, 2017

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Originally Posted by BigVanVader

I've watched several of his vids and IMO he gives out a lot of bad information. I also think the vid in question is a dramatic ploy to get subscribers. I have followed most garden channels at some point and many start innocently but then become slaves to the dollar and start trying to create"cutting edge content"

You nailed it! That's when I hit the unsubscribe button.

March 5, 2017	#1
gardenfrog Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Shelbyville, IN Posts: 343	I recently purchased some tobacco seeds from Sustainable Seed Company from a 300-year-old indian site. Those seeds sprouted and created tobacco with huge leaves...unique to what is known today. Though I'm not a smoker, the idea of growing something that has not been changed by time is intriguing and satisfying. Years ago I tried to recreate prehistoric growing conditions for hatching of two Emu eggs. Evidence is pretty clear that ancestors of modern birds could have been the terrifyingly-huge creatures we have seen recreated in "Jurassic Park". As far as the experiment went...My wife and teenage son thought I was nuts! It caused a lot of stress in the family, so I decided to keep peace in the family, cook a healthy batch of Emu scrambled eggs for the dogs and look for other opportunities of exploration (There are many!). 87-year-old tomato seeds sounds doable to me if the conditions are right. I wish MIgardener all the success in the world as well as all the fun he can reap from his journeys in the soil!!!

March 5, 2017	#2
Hellmanns Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: kentucky Posts: 1,116	John, in no way am I calling you out, or trying to criticize you, or others with my comments and observations on the video. I also took note of his wife thinking of subscribers first and foremost when he excitedly called her unscripted in the second video @9:25. So, it seems their subscriber count is the most exciting topic between the two of them. There is big bucks in a YouTube channel that has that many subscribers. The problem is, the channel has to publish new and exciting content on a regular basis to pick up new subscribers, and to keep old ones from hitting the unsubscribe button. Also, now learning he sells seeds from home adds quite a bit to this..If just 10% of 103,000 subscribers wants a $1 pack of seed from this no longer available variety it's a pretty big win for him.

March 5, 2017	#4
oakley Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: NewYork 5a Posts: 2,303	I have no issues with you posting. Interesting. I've not run into this persons videos but it is a different generation of reality TV now i see on youtube. And not surprised with so much advertising revenue. (he is a bit high-strung and over-bearing) a little... That is just a difference in personality i suppose. I would rather eat glass that hold a selfie stick, but others can't stop. When someone has a need to film themselves all week and share it publicly....it has to come with a bit of skepticism. It does reek of mild deceit somewhere. Either the seller or the buyer. Show-boating, hype. New old stock of everything is in homes and barns all over and most have no interest. Why they are sold on E-bay, Etsy. (it is valuable if someone is willing to pay for it) My only real issue is the lack of research and not 'waking' up old seed carefully. Dumping in full packs. Drum roll. Whispering. Drama. (toss in a few viable newer seeds from the home/business collection). The excitement seemed false to me. But minor deceit? They have to live with that. If it is, but no way to know. They get to live with it if it is so. (i realize he did not empty the entire tomato pack but it was still careless) A better lesson would be, for so many watching, would be a mention of many of the methods to wake up old seeds. The embryo might be in good shape, but its seed case might have hardened and the carbohydrates and minerals usually inside might have been compromised or dried out. That needs to be available immediately unlike my recent seeding that is up in 4-5 days being fresh seed. I do agree that getting a younger generation involved in gardening is a win.

March 5, 2017	#5
Worth1 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Den of Drunken Fools Posts: 38,539	They may have been invented in the 30's but they didn't come into use until way later. Even electrical boxes didn't start using them until the 90's

March 5, 2017	#14
BigVanVader Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Greenville, South Carolina Posts: 3,099	I've watched several of his vids and IMO he gives out a lot of bad information. I also think the vid in question is a dramatic ploy to get subscribers. I have followed most garden channels at some point and many start innocently but then become slaves to the dollar and start trying to create"cutting edge content"