Interested in testing new hybrids?

frogsleap farm · February 2, 2014

Last year I used several of my best inbred breeding lines to make various hybrid combinations. I don't have much seed but would like to supplement my testing with a few more locations. These are all striped cherries/grapes. I could send 3-4 seed of one or two hybrids each to a handfull of folks for testing. I have 8-10 to test in total. Please PM me if you are interested. Thanks

Mark

dinca · February 2, 2014

I could help with a few hybrids. What's required?

frogsleap farm · February 2, 2014

Simply a promise to plant the seed, tend the plants and post results

**Tom Wagner** · February 2, 2014

Mark, I am eschewing sending you a private PM and wish to take you up on your offer publicly. Your choice of two of your hybrids and I will send you a couple of my rarest hybrids I made last year between interesting new inbreds as well. I made 672 crosses last year..not all made but well over 400 did.

We are in similar enterprises...so why not cooperate? You don't have to list the parents of the hybrids, I just feel the spirit of exchange should suffice.

I have selected an intern to dog my work with making hybrids and my plan is to combine our efforts in making crosses in various greenhouses, field and garden plantings to make an ambitious effort. I figure this can be done over a five month period and could perhaps be done several thousand of times. My lowest goal is for 5,000 but it could easily exceed that if I get a few volunteer interns. My crosses will begin later this month in the Cascades and San Diego County, but will be concentrated in Snohomish County where my intern and I live.

To speed the database of hybrids already done and to record each hybrid a series of barcodes/etc. will be implemented to hasten the data input and retrieval. For instance....can you read this?

The barcodes will be loaded to a label with each plant but may be linked to some other identity to protect the intellectual property. Since my intern is helping me sort my tens of thousands of seed units...the existing identity of cross or OP number with a sow date will continue to follow 60 years of established detail so that my database and seed inventory can be "Googled" internally. That means that 11221313 will show up as Pacific Bluestem tomato and that number will always be coded to that date and number. The barcode will allow me to use my Iphone and other devices and follow a variety of templates for data, including pictures, descriptions, etc.

Mark, I have gotten off the topic more than just a bit, but I think you get my drift on where new experimental hybrids could lead the way to more varietal development.

frogsleap farm · February 3, 2014

Sounds good Tom, I'll send you my mailing address and ask you to do the same

Mark

**Tom Wagner** · February 3, 2014

View your "About Me" as seen by everyone else
About Tom Wagner
has been updated with my mailing address
So if anyone wants to send me seed to use in breeding ...you have a link to how to send seed my way.

Still waiting to see if anyone has an Iphone to scan the codes

Worth1 · February 3, 2014

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Wagner

View your "About Me" as seen by everyone else
About Tom Wagner
has been updated with my mailing address
So if anyone wants to send me seed to use in breeding ...you have a link to how to send seed my way.

Still waiting to see if anyone has an Iphone to scan the codes

Tom if you meant for someone to test and see if they worked I scanned them with my Samsung galaxy S 3 and they worked.

Worth

frogsleap farm · February 6, 2014

Thanks to those offering to help evaluate some new hybrids. I'll plan on sending seed this weekend based on the comments recieved in your PM.

Mark

frogsleap farm · February 9, 2014

Sent seed today of eight hybrids to 12 growers from CA to Finland - should be fun. I will have all of these at one or more of my U.S. nursery locations also and will be posting photos here - hopefully others will also. Thanks to all for your willingness to help!

crmauch · February 15, 2014

Besides being striped cherries/grapes is there anything else you would want us to know about individual crosses?

I personally received:
3C45
3C3

Thanks,

Chris

frogsleap farm · February 15, 2014

All of the hybrids I sent were crosses between stable or near stable FLF breeding lines. All are indeterminate and RL and have fruit with stripes. Fruit size of the various hybrids are cherries, grapes, plums, saladettes or small hearts. I expect 3C3 to be a GWR small heart and 3C45 to be an orange plum/saladette. I hope that helps.

I got another request today and still have some seed left of a few of these. Thanks.

Mark

dfollett · February 15, 2014

Seeds arrived today. What should I expect from 3C5?

dinca · February 15, 2014

Four of 3C45 and 3C54 and three of 3C3.

frogsleap farm · February 16, 2014

Quote:

Originally Posted by dfollett

Seeds arrived today. What should I expect from 3C5?

Small striped GWR/bicolor heart

RobinB · February 16, 2014

Mark,

I got 3C8 and 3C57. What should I expect from these?

Thanks,
Robin

February 2, 2014	#1
frogsleap farm Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 568	Interested in testing new hybrids? Last year I used several of my best inbred breeding lines to make various hybrid combinations. I don't have much seed but would like to supplement my testing with a few more locations. These are all striped cherries/grapes. I could send 3-4 seed of one or two hybrids each to a handfull of folks for testing. I have 8-10 to test in total. Please PM me if you are interested. Thanks Mark

February 15, 2014	#13
dinca Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: California Posts: 269	Got some seeds Four of 3C45 and 3C54 and three of 3C3.

February 2, 2014	#4
Tom Wagner Crosstalk™ Forum Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: 8407 18th Ave West 7-203 Everett, Washington 98204 Posts: 1,157	Mark, I am eschewing sending you a private PM and wish to take you up on your offer publicly. Your choice of two of your hybrids and I will send you a couple of my rarest hybrids I made last year between interesting new inbreds as well. I made 672 crosses last year..not all made but well over 400 did. We are in similar enterprises...so why not cooperate? You don't have to list the parents of the hybrids, I just feel the spirit of exchange should suffice. I have selected an intern to dog my work with making hybrids and my plan is to combine our efforts in making crosses in various greenhouses, field and garden plantings to make an ambitious effort. I figure this can be done over a five month period and could perhaps be done several thousand of times. My lowest goal is for 5,000 but it could easily exceed that if I get a few volunteer interns. My crosses will begin later this month in the Cascades and San Diego County, but will be concentrated in Snohomish County where my intern and I live. To speed the database of hybrids already done and to record each hybrid a series of barcodes/etc. will be implemented to hasten the data input and retrieval. For instance....can you read this? The barcodes will be loaded to a label with each plant but may be linked to some other identity to protect the intellectual property. Since my intern is helping me sort my tens of thousands of seed units...the existing identity of cross or OP number with a sow date will continue to follow 60 years of established detail so that my database and seed inventory can be "Googled" internally. That means that 11221313 will show up as Pacific Bluestem tomato and that number will always be coded to that date and number. The barcode will allow me to use my Iphone and other devices and follow a variety of templates for data, including pictures, descriptions, etc. Mark, I have gotten off the topic more than just a bit, but I think you get my drift on where new experimental hybrids could lead the way to more varietal development.

February 3, 2014	#5
frogsleap farm Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 568	Sounds good Tom, I'll send you my mailing address and ask you to do the same Mark

February 6, 2014	#8
frogsleap farm Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 568	Thanks to those offering to help evaluate some new hybrids. I'll plan on sending seed this weekend based on the comments recieved in your PM. Mark

February 9, 2014	#9
frogsleap farm Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 568	Sent seed today of eight hybrids to 12 growers from CA to Finland - should be fun. I will have all of these at one or more of my U.S. nursery locations also and will be posting photos here - hopefully others will also. Thanks to all for your willingness to help!

February 15, 2014	#10
crmauch Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2013 Location: Honey Brook, PA Zone 6b Posts: 399	Besides being striped cherries/grapes is there anything else you would want us to know about individual crosses? I personally received: 3C45 3C3 Thanks, Chris

February 15, 2014	#12
dfollett Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Utah Posts: 693	Seeds arrived today. What should I expect from 3C5?

February 16, 2014	#15
RobinB Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Near Reno, NV Posts: 1,621	Mark, I got 3C8 and 3C57. What should I expect from these? Thanks, Robin