Member discussion regarding the methods, varieties and merits of growing tomatoes.
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June 7, 2010 | #1 |
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Black Pepper Tomato info...??
I just received a Black Pepper tomato plant from a friend of mine in New York (I am in Michigan). She received seeds from her Pastor that his Mom grows the seeds and has for many years. Their family came over from Italy in the 70's. I cannot find any info on this variety via online searches. I asked a fellow gardener/coworker if he had heard of this and he said he knows a guy that received a plant from a guy at his church. The man was a missionary in Tanzania for quite some time. The Pastor in NY also did missionary work but the seeds were from his Mother. Just a REALLY strange coinsidence!
Can anyone help me out with info on this heirloom!?!? Thanks in advance |
June 7, 2010 | #2 | |
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A couple of comments. Black Pepper may refer to the shape of the fruits being either conventional blocky bell shape or an elongated shape such as several hot peppers, or for instance the tomato varieties Howard German, Opalka and others. But I know of no so called blacks that originated in Italy as heirloom varieties. It sounds to me like it's the result of an accidental cross between a black and an unknown other variety and has been closely held within a couple of families. I noted that there was a connecetion, a coincidence as you put it, in that both families were missionaries and recently I was able to ID a variety for someone that was distributed by Hope Seeds, which specifically distributes seeds to missionaries and others involved with mission work. At their website they don't list what varieties they distribute so that isn't going to help but at least I thought it was interesting to mention. So I still believe that your Black Pepper tomato is the result of an accidental cross and has received limited distribution. B/c I'm not familiar with any heirloom blacks originating in Italy I would very much like to grow it out next year to see if it's a blocky shape or an elongated shape. If you're willing to share seeds with me please PM me and in return I can provide you with several varieties of your choice in return.
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June 9, 2010 | #3 |
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Thanks so much Carolyn! WE are still diggin on our end to see if there is anything we can find! Thanks for your effort to help I will def. PM you!!
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February 9, 2011 | #4 |
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sorry to bump this up....but, are there any pictures of this variety, and did you grow these out Carolyn?
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February 9, 2011 | #5 | |
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Someone at idig mentioned that Blaker Creek was offering this variety but had no blurb yet, so I cut and pasted the above to there, but it already was Google available but I didn't realize it at the time, and there's a long thread there at idig, but no more information than already here about this variety. We'll just have to see what Baker Creek comes up with as to a variety description. And I'm going to be curious about any background info based on what's posted here at Tville. I'd go ahead and try to contact her but anyone can buy the seeds for this variety already, from Baker Creek, even without having variety info as to basic traits beforehand. And her public profile shows that while she joined I think it was last May, she's made only two posts total, including the two above, so I don't think trying to contact her is the way to go since you can buy the seeds easily from Baker Creek, grow it out this summer and see what you get. I hope that helps.
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December 7, 2013 | #6 |
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Hi..I've been "reading you" for a ton of time...followed the Black Tomato discussion/got back last week. Anyway..I 'found' the BPT on Tomatojunkie's web site--Iva Graša, near Novo Mesto in Slovenia. I grew it out this past season (on the Hood Canal, Wa) have a couple of pictures I can share. I noticed both Iva's note (pic's ??? - see http://www.xxxxxxjunkie.info/index.p...i-paradiniki); also Andrey's Jan 4, 2013 note/pics:
"Kubinskiy Pertsevidnyi (Pepper-like from Cuba) is the right name for this tomato. It is called Kubinskiy Pertsevidnyi Chornyi and Kubinskiy Chornyi Peretz sometimes as well." My/Iva's BP looks to be a bit longer, rippled, and with a greenish shoulder. Anyway... I am down to 3 seeds for 2014...should have been smarter about saving seeds in September last. Checking Iva's web site I found that she's placed Black Pepper in her archive--I've emailed her/no response so far. Tatiana, up in BC, doesn't recognize the variety/possible breeding..either. ted URL) and Andrey's Jan 4, 2013 note+pics..especially Andrey's speculation: Kubinskiy Pertsevidnyi (Pepper-like from Cuba) is the right name for this tomato. It is called Kubinskiy Pertsevidnyi Chornyi and Kubinskiy Chornyi Peretz sometimes as well. My/Iva's BP looks to be a bit longer, rippled, and with a greenish shoulder. Anyway... I am down to 3 seeds for 2014...should have been smarter about saving seeds in September last. Checking Iva's web site I found that she's placed Black Pepper in her archive--I've emailed her/no response so far. Tatiana, up in BC, doesn't recognize the variety/possible breeding..either. ted |
December 12, 2013 | #7 |
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Hi!
I emailed Iva on this site. I believe they are one of the same. She's tried to send me some seeds, but I guess they didn't make it through. It happens. May be later we can try again. |
December 12, 2013 | #8 |
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"Kubinskiy Pertsevidnyi (Pepper-like from Cuba)
Hi TedB,
Thanks for posting! I clicked on the link to see pictures, but it won't work. Oh, well. I am forever lurking and hoping I can get some to grow.... If you ever grow those seeds out and want to trade, let me know. I love the way they look and want to see how they taste raw and cooked. After Christmas, I will use my vacation to pick out the tomatoes I will be growing for this spring. Forever got the fever! Christina |
December 13, 2013 | #9 |
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BT Pictures
Hi ChristinaJo..nice, someone else with disposable time. Just kidding. I'll chase down/copy her (iva's) pics and a couple of my own from September. I'll attempt to post them here tomorrow. If that does work send me a note (buila@siu.edu). ted
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April 21, 2011 | #10 | |
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April 21, 2011 | #11 |
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Terry, I just checked and Annanet has not visited Tville since last June and while she gave some background information she herself was looking for more information. Seems to me she would have posted it if she grew it last summer, but maybe not.
When you do a member search you'll see that she lists both e-mail and PM contact so if you want to go ahead and try to contact her why don't you do that, but using only the e-mail contact, if it's still viable at her end, since shemay not get a PM contact. And of course if someone here knows more thay can post it. Terry asked this question at idig and I found him a previous thread at idig about it and in one of the posts there I'd linked to this thread here, so here he is. Hi Terry!
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October 28, 2012 | #13 |
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Was reading this thread, and wondering if anyone has had an opportunity to grow this one yet? Would like to get any additional info that might be available. Still couldn't find any info on this one anywhere.
Thanks....Heather |
October 28, 2012 | #14 |
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Heather, I'm not sure what else one can do based on all the posts above as to finding out more about this variety and the contacts that have already been attempted. And clearly Baker Creek said nothing more about it either.
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October 28, 2012 | #15 |
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Thanks Carolyn. Was hopeful, that since time had passed since this thread was started...there might be some hands-on experience with this one. Even knowing colour, size, growth habit etc would be helpful. Thanks again
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