Simple question/single answer thread

Alpinejs · October 20, 2012

Does anyone agree with the need for a thread dealing with a question which
doesn't really need lengthy discussion if a provided answer is correct? I find
myself hesitant to ask questions as there may be pages of posts on peripheral
aspects to wade through.

As a test and feel free to add your own simple question even if totally unrelated to my questio, here 'tis......

Please explain what F-1, F-4 etc. means as in Sungold F-1.

kurt · October 20, 2012

http://peakgardening.wordpress.com/2...hey-come-from/ Good question always has perplexed me check other link below also

Worth1 · October 20, 2012

No

Worth

Worth1 · October 20, 2012

F1 is the first generation of a cross. F4 would be the 4th generation of the cross.
If you saved seeds from an F1 it would be an F2 and so on.
Worth

Redbaron · October 20, 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alpinejs

Does anyone agree with the need for a thread dealing with a question which
doesn't really need lengthy discussion if a provided answer is correct?

No

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alpinejs

I find
myself hesitant to ask questions as there may be pages of posts on peripheral
aspects to wade through.

As a test and feel free to add your own simple question even if totally unrelated to my questio, here 'tis......

Please explain what F-1, F-4 etc. means as in Sungold F-1.

That is a very easy question. The number on plants like tomatoes simply means the number of generations after the hybrid cross. start with 2 varieties A and B then hybridize them together with a cross pollination called AB. A x B = AB F-1. Then each year AB is pollinated by itself and not crossed is F-2 F-2 F-3 ....... On and on until AB becomes a stable Open Pollinated Variety (OP)

It is a bit more complicated in certain other plants because some plants like corn have mutations that give them 2 or more sets of identical genes. Then those plants sets of genes can be crossed and have more than one set of parents. But the answer I gave is a simple way to understand crosses in Tomatoes.

frdlturner · October 20, 2012

question
lets say that you grow out F3 seed and there are some plants produces a round fruit and the other plant produces a heart shaped fruit since both came from F3 seed would seed saved from both of there be F4 seed even if they are different?

dipchip2000 · October 20, 2012

My thinking as a way to remember

F1=daughter
F2=Grand daughter
F3= great grand daughter
F4=great great grand daughter
etc

ron

Redbaron · October 20, 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by frdlturner

question
lets say that you grow out F3 seed and there are some plants produces a round fruit and the other plant produces a heart shaped fruit since both came from F3 seed would seed saved from both of there be F4 seed even if they are different?

yes

**carolyn137** · October 20, 2012

http://tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=17088

Above is a link to the sticky in the Crosstalk Forum which explains it all.

The link in the #7 post is excellent b'c it also explains the concept visually.

Alpinejs · October 20, 2012

Oh well. So much for the idea of one question, ONE answer. Turned into just
another thread of discussion. Sorry about that.

Worth1 · October 21, 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alpinejs

Oh well. So much for the idea of one question, ONE answer. Turned into just
another thread of discussion. Sorry about that.

I know what you mean.

That is why I don't post after a a correct answer is submitted.

Worth

**carolyn137** · October 21, 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alpinejs

Oh well. So much for the idea of one question, ONE answer. Turned into just
another thread of discussion. Sorry about that.

I can't help it, but with you as the person asking the question, how will you know if ONE answer is the right one?

Also pertains to anyone else asking a question and, well, the same.

Different folks will answer a single question in different ways, that's always true. And some will be right and others will not.

When I was still teaching I found that the first time around on a topic, take electron transport as an example, brows would furrow and heads drop. So I'd go through it again using different words to explain the same topic. And sometimes yet again.

By that time most were with me, and those who weren't paying attention at all got this from me......if you don't pay attention I'm going to tap dance nude on the tabletop.

Now that got their attention.

And no, I never did, obviously.

PaulF · October 21, 2012

And here I always thought your bum knee came from an earlier accident when you slipped off an unstable table some student had sneaked into the classroom.

Isn't that true? simple question!

**carolyn137** · October 21, 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulF

And here I always thought your bum knee came from an earlier accident when you slipped off an unstable table some student had sneaked into the classroom.

Isn't that true? simple question!

NO!

Worth1 · October 23, 2012

From the very definition of the word (Forum).
I would think that a single answer question in a forum would and should be non existent here.

This is a place where people gather together to exchange information and ideas.
Even as has been shown many times here the same answer will come across in many ways.
Some people will understand the answer by how I state it.
Others will understand it in another persons point of view.

It would be like such a question as this.

Who discovered America?
Some would say Columbus.
Some would say Leif Erickson and his sister.
Some would say the Native Americans.
And they would all be right.

Then in the forum people would discuss their argument as to who was right and who was wrong.
In a polite society this argument would be in a peaceful way.

In a society such as Columbus came from, if you disagreed you would be tagged as a heretic, tortured and burned at the stake.

In a society that Leif Erickson came from there would be an argument, axes would be drawn and heads would role.
A saga would be written about the event.

In a society such as the Native Americans came from there would be no argument because they just didn't care.
The idea of land ownership did not exist.

To post a question so as you should only get one answer, (but you wouldn't).

It would go like this.

How does Carolyn plant her tomato plants?

She would say, "I just plant them in the ground and dont bother burying them deep or laying them on their side".

I would say, "She doesn't plant her tomatoes she gets someone else to do it".

I would go on to comment knowing what kind of person Carolyn is that she would just be happy to have the help.
She would not micromanage the project as long as the roots got in the ground.

Then there is a question that comes around every now and then that tickles me.

Can you save seeds from a hybrid tomato?

The quick answer would be no.
The correct answer would be yes.(The person never asked about what the fruit would be like).
You can save anything except maybe a snowflake.

Then there would be a slew of complicated answers leaving the person more confused than ever before.

Then last but not least there is the person on forums such as myself.
I have the right answers but you have to be careful.

Sometimes I will be serious and putout good information.
Sometimes it will be an all out lie just for entertainment value.

Forums need all kinds of people.
They need serious people.
They need people that know nothing.
They need people with the wrong answers.
They need people with the right answer.
And they need idiots like me.

Without this diversity forums stagnate and die.

Worth

October 20, 2012	#1
Alpinejs Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Alpine, Calif. in winter. Sandpoint Lake, Ont. Canada summers Posts: 850	Simple question/single answer thread Does anyone agree with the need for a thread dealing with a question which doesn't really need lengthy discussion if a provided answer is correct? I find myself hesitant to ask questions as there may be pages of posts on peripheral aspects to wade through. As a test and feel free to add your own simple question even if totally unrelated to my questio, here 'tis...... Please explain what F-1, F-4 etc. means as in Sungold F-1.

October 20, 2012	#2
kurt Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Homestead,Everglades City Fl. Posts: 2,493	http://peakgardening.wordpress.com/2...hey-come-from/ Good question always has perplexed me check other link below also __________________ KURT Last edited by kurt; October 20, 2012 at 09:56 AM. Reason: http://www.tomatodirt.com/tomato-glossary.html

October 20, 2012	#6
frdlturner Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Galena, MO Posts: 215	question lets say that you grow out F3 seed and there are some plants produces a round fruit and the other plant produces a heart shaped fruit since both came from F3 seed would seed saved from both of there be F4 seed even if they are different? Last edited by frdlturner; October 20, 2012 at 10:31 AM.

October 20, 2012	#9
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	http://tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=17088 Above is a link to the sticky in the Crosstalk Forum which explains it all. The link in the #7 post is excellent b'c it also explains the concept visually. __________________ Carolyn

October 21, 2012	#13
PaulF Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brownville, Ne Posts: 3,289	And here I always thought your bum knee came from an earlier accident when you slipped off an unstable table some student had sneaked into the classroom. Isn't that true? simple question! __________________ there's two things money can't buy; true love and home grown tomatoes.

October 20, 2012	#3
Worth1 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Den of Drunken Fools Posts: 38,539	No Worth

October 20, 2012	#7
dipchip2000 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Muskogee, Oklahoma Posts: 664	My thinking as a way to remember F1=daughter F2=Grand daughter F3= great grand daughter F4=great great grand daughter etc ron

October 23, 2012	#15
Worth1 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Den of Drunken Fools Posts: 38,539	From the very definition of the word (Forum). I would think that a single answer question in a forum would and should be non existent here. This is a place where people gather together to exchange information and ideas. Even as has been shown many times here the same answer will come across in many ways. Some people will understand the answer by how I state it. Others will understand it in another persons point of view. It would be like such a question as this. Who discovered America? Some would say Columbus. Some would say Leif Erickson and his sister. Some would say the Native Americans. And they would all be right. Then in the forum people would discuss their argument as to who was right and who was wrong. In a polite society this argument would be in a peaceful way. In a society such as Columbus came from, if you disagreed you would be tagged as a heretic, tortured and burned at the stake. In a society that Leif Erickson came from there would be an argument, axes would be drawn and heads would role. A saga would be written about the event. In a society such as the Native Americans came from there would be no argument because they just didn't care. The idea of land ownership did not exist. To post a question so as you should only get one answer, (but you wouldn't). It would go like this. How does Carolyn plant her tomato plants? She would say, "I just plant them in the ground and dont bother burying them deep or laying them on their side". I would say, "She doesn't plant her tomatoes she gets someone else to do it". I would go on to comment knowing what kind of person Carolyn is that she would just be happy to have the help. She would not micromanage the project as long as the roots got in the ground. Then there is a question that comes around every now and then that tickles me. Can you save seeds from a hybrid tomato? The quick answer would be no. The correct answer would be yes.(The person never asked about what the fruit would be like). You can save anything except maybe a snowflake. Then there would be a slew of complicated answers leaving the person more confused than ever before. Then last but not least there is the person on forums such as myself. I have the right answers but you have to be careful. Sometimes I will be serious and putout good information. Sometimes it will be an all out lie just for entertainment value. Forums need all kinds of people. They need serious people. They need people that know nothing. They need people with the wrong answers. They need people with the right answer. And they need idiots like me. Without this diversity forums stagnate and die. Worth