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I find it laughable that this variety is touted as the "ultimate" drying tomato...too small, too many seeds and just speaking for myslef, flavor no better than the average cherry tomato. The Chef's I sell to have heard the "ultimate" claim and are willing to pay me THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT for these dried (there really is a sucker born every day....) I will concede they produce well and in less than ideal weather but if I did not have a market for these, they woudl have never been grown a second year. Personally, I would not waste the space. I have only had the indeterminate variety and it does not get real tall.