It's so true Craig that we did run thru lots of older CV's, many of which I didn't care for such as Alice Roosevelt, King George, Queen Mary and on and on, but I did pay more attention to the Livingstons, for all the reasons you know.
And it's also true I only grew most of them a couple of times, as I did with Favorite.
And when I said I didn't care that much for the Livingston reds, I meant that I really do like Golden Queen(USDA) and of course Magnus.
How could I not like Magnus after all I went thru with that one.
The Landreth one I mentioned above is another round red CV whose taste I do like very much , as well as Break O Day, and both I've grown several times, but not lately.