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Originally Posted by bower
Hi Imp,
We obviously don't share the same perspective on what is or isn't rude. I will try to explain my point of view.
(1) I find it rude, personally, for my comments to be used as a basis for these ( insulting!) insinuations. Do I think you are rude in making these remarks and questions? Yes I do.
There is nothing in my post to suggest that you or any other member should be excluded from this sub forum. My post said that specific comments, dissing the organic industry and methods, and advocating chemical ag, do not belong in this sub forum.
(2) The comments which I objected to, were comments which I consider to be rude in the context of this sub forum and the organic growers who contribute to the sub forum.
(3) When people repeat their opinions over and over without listening to others, it is rude, in my opinion.
In a civil and constructive discussion, contributors not only comment but also read what others have said, links they have posted, and so on, so that in the process of discussion we all become better informed. No it is not at all offensive if the occasional comment is made without being well aware of the matter being discussed. But it is offensive when the same uninformed comment is made repeatedly, in spite of the fact that evidence to the contrary is the subject being discussed by others. The example I am talking about, is your two posts in this thread in which you place the blame on the man who got cancer, for not following instructions. The evidence being discussed by others is about the company's failure to recommend any suitable precautions. If you still believe the man is to blame for his cancer, fine, say so, but once is enough to express your dissent. "Agree to disagree" requires that you keep it to once, IMO. 
(4) It is also rude to hijack a thread in a way that distracts from the subject.
So please don't reply to me about "what is rude" in this thread. I've given you my frank opinions and I hope you can take it constructively as it is intended. If you want to discuss what is rude any further, start a thread about it. If you want to know more about what could be considered rude in an organic sub forum, post it for discussion in this one, or if you want to know in a more general sense, I suggest 2 cents forum.
As for discussion of Roundup or other chemicals in an organic forum, you must understand that people who grow organically have concerns about chems in the environment and food chain, which affects all of us, and should be free to express and discuss that perspective in our own subforum without any contentious argument about it. |
I agree, we obviously do not agree on what would be good manners or being rude to others. My intent was not to insult you, but to point out that all members have the right to post in all sub forums, even when told not to post a different view point by another member who is not a Mod.
To tell others where and what they may post stifles open discussions. Censorship of dissenting opinions is not conducive to open discussions and not in the spirit of learning.
I regret that you find my comments offensive, but you simply proved what I said by telling me what and where or how I may post in this sub forum in the post I quoted above .
I have made no attempt to censor or tell you what you may post or discuss, nor have I been "contentious", I simply stated my view point on the subject in polite terms, per the site rules.
I think you did not read my posts correctly; the directions and precautions are on each bottle sold retail, and here in the USA, all companies are required, by law, to have material data handling sheets available for each and every chemical in use on that property, kept in a binder (s) and available to all employees to read.
Even with organic pesticides, if people do not use them according to the precautions and directions, and work in pesticide soaked clothing, when does personal culpability come in? When do people become responsible for their own choices?
Because I may use some different methods other than what you choose to in my garden, does not mean I care about the environment and food chain any less than yourself or others, nor does it make one or the other style of gardening right or wrong. There are no posts from me "dissing" organic methods or industry, nor did I advocate using chemicals - I only stated what I myself may do in my own garden, not that all others must do as I do or that it is the only "right" way to garden.