Hang in there Sue. I think I learned some things here so your seed saving trials are at least helping others. I put my saved seeds out in large single batches cups for the first time this year to ferment and it was for much more than 3-4 days, unstirred. They mostly dried up in the heat and the seeds turned black/brown. I thought this was probably bad so the next batch I only left out a week, and they looked okay. Unfortunately I have had no germination to speak of from either batch. Luckily it is not really a big loss; the only heirloom seeds were grown from johnny's brandywines.
The 3-5 days indoors listed on this thread is a much different schedule from what I read earlier this summer! I have a cup outside since the 5th and some more since the 8th that were inside, just moved out today. They both have white on top so I guess now is the time to rinse and test again.
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