You're such a resource of information, Tania! I love it.
So the American Persimmon and the Russian Persimmon/Khurma are 2 different varities. They're listed separately at TGS, altho your description sounds much more encouraging to me than the one at TGS. It's also good to know I can probably stick it in a bucket and save space in the garden.
That said, just because something is a determinate doesn't mean it's "short" and won't tip a bucket over without cinderblocks bracing it. Most of my determinates were 3'-4' last year but the New Yorker was nearly 6' tall. Good tomato but well into August before I saw anything.
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