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AlittleSalt December 2, 2018 04:48 PM

Tricked You Peppers & Others
 
It's a hybrid pepper that is supposed to be an improved version of 'Fooled You' jalapeno. I have never grown either variety and am wondering if any of you have grown them? Do they taste like a jalapeno just without the heat?
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I'm looking at the new Seeds n Such catalog and found a variety called Takara Shish!to. I'm wondering if they are same thing as Shish!to? It says that 10% of them can be spicy. Uh-huh, let them grow out in the Texas heat and about 90% can be spicy.
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Banana peppers were boring to me until one day when I tossed some into a hot pan. They release a wonderful flavor - so good that we made chili powder out of them. No questions - I just wanted to share that info.
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I'm thinking about growing some Gypsy and/or Cubanelle. I want to grow a few varieties that are less than 3,000 Scoville Units. Do any of you have ideas? I'll most likely order seeds from Seeds n Such.

As for hotter peppers - every grocery store around here sells them very cheaply.

ContainerTed December 2, 2018 05:15 PM

Robert, I've grown "Fooled You Jalapeno" and it has the rich flavor most of us would love, but none of the heat. My wife likes the flavor but cannot handle the heat, so we grow them to make stuffed jalapenos that she really loves. There are a couple of the "heatless" ones and there's also the Zavory Habanero that also has the flavor and none of the heat.

At a very personal level, I'm a self professed pepper wimp. However, I do like deseeded jalapeno peppers when used as a stuffed pepper - usually with some kind of meat combination.

rhines81 December 2, 2018 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AlittleSalt (Post 720260)
As for hotter peppers - every grocery store around here sells them very cheaply.

I've not been able to find a hot jalapeno from a grocery store in ages ... they all seem extremely mild, almost no heat, compared to homegrown. I think it is a supply chain thing. When I order sliced jalapenos on my pizza, they are usually a perfect heat so I guess they are sourced differently.
If flavor and reduced heat is what you want, maybe stick to Anaheims?

Worth1 December 2, 2018 09:51 PM

I would like to help but I haven't a clue as to what would be hot for someone else compared to what I consider hot.

I wouldn't spend one cent on a non hot jalapeno pepper. :lol:

AlittleSalt December 3, 2018 12:14 AM

Thank you Ted, that's what I was hoping for from 'Fooled You/Tricked You'. About half of my family and friends want to eat peppers, but they can't take the heat.

Rhines81, jalapeno peppers are a guessing game around here. Sometimes they are not very hot at all, and sometimes they are still hot even after taking the seeds out.

Worth, you already know that I want to try the no heat peppers for my family and friends. For me personally, I like growing peppers that I can pick and eat in the garden. Serrano is my general limit on eating them fresh - although I've eaten plenty of early season tabasco peppers.

You won't see me eating a fresh tabasco pepper in August or later - been there, lips and tongue caught on fire :lol:

AlittleSalt December 3, 2018 12:50 AM

My wife chose a couple of varieties. Fooled You is one of them, she found one that sounds interesting - I had never heard of it. Candy Cane Red Hybrid https://www.seedsnsuch.com/product/c...ne-red-hybrid/ It sure looks interesting. She wants us to grow it for striped colors.

So far, I've chosen Jimmy Nardello. Not just because I've read so many good reviews here and on other sites, but I tried growing it a couple years ago in a section of a garden with RKN and FW3. I was unaware of the soil problems, so I want to give them a second chance, but this time in 5 gallon buckets.

I did read about a variety of Ancho/poblano that might work for gardeners with cooler growing conditions. Mosquetero https://www.seedsnsuch.com/product/mosquetero-hybrid/

ContainerTed December 3, 2018 09:28 AM

Robert, I grew Jimmy Nardello about 10 ago. It was a skinny thing about 10 inches long. In the raw, it was nothing to get excited about, but put it on the grill or in the skillet and it popped with a flavor that will please even the novice (which I was at the time). With sime of the mildly warm varieties, I think my data shows that reducing the direct sun exposure in the last half of the pepper's maturing and color changing life will also gain you a slightly less heat factor. Nothing to back up that statement. It's just a feeling/impression I got.

The year I grew JimNar, I also tried to grow Corno di Toro. The seed I received in a trade turned out to be "Corno di Holy Krap". The scoville must have been about 20,000. It was way above regular jalapenos. So beware of all supposedly "NON HOT" peppers until you can cut a small area of the skin and touch a micro dot of the juice/fluid to your finger and then your tongue.

After a couple of years of adding a small dash of ground red pepper to most of my soups and smoked meat dishes, I can handle more of the heat. You might think about that for some your family members if they wish to gain more tolerance to the heat. I can actually stand a couple wings that were prepared with a habanero sauce. I keep the milk close, though.

Salsacharley December 3, 2018 10:44 AM

Check out the New Mexico State University Chile Pepper Institute site. They have Numex Primavera Jalapeno that is mild, and they have Numex Trick or Treat habanero that has no heat, but habanero flavor.

https://cpi.nmsu.edu/

AlittleSalt December 3, 2018 04:38 PM

Charley, that's a really good site, and it has been a while since I've looked at it. I will check it out.

I'm making my list - checking it twice...:lol: more like checking it 10 times.
All of the varieties listed below can be found at this site https://www.seedsnsuch.com/product-c...seeds/peppers/ The number after the variety name is what page they are on.

These are going to be bought. 3 of the 4 varieties are ones that I have wanted to grow for years.

Alma Paprika 1
Candy Cane Red Hybrid 2
Fooled You Jalapeno Hybrid 3
Jimmy Nardello 5

The maybe list:

Cherry Pick Hybrid 2
Hungarian Cheese Hybrid 5
Pretty N Sweet Hybrid 7 (Can be grown in a 6 inch pot. I like that.)

greenthumbomaha December 3, 2018 05:04 PM

Someone pointed out that Candy Cane Red does not retain it's stripes when grown to full maturity.


I might be able to help with seeds of some of the other varieties. Going to a holiday party across town tonight. Weather is brutal, but the food n fun is great. . Will check when I get back later this evening.


- Lisa

EPawlick December 3, 2018 05:48 PM

We grew Roulette this year--it's a sweet no heat Habanero.

Mostly no heat but occasionally one may be hot. Useful as a replacement for sweet peppers.

Perfect for small gardens with short growing season.



https://www.damseeds.ca/productcart/...dCategory=3944

D317 Roulette Hybrid

2018 AAS Winner. Roulette is typically a sweet no heat Habanero. However it gets its name Roulette because on occasion there is hot fruit produced. Normally a Habanero is too hot for most Canadians to taste and the heat masks its intense citrusy flavour. With Roulette, typically it has no heat so you can taste the citrusy flavour of the fruit. It is also an early producer, yielding over 50 large 3.5" x 2" fruits per plant. Fruits turn deep red when mature. This is one you have to try!

AlittleSalt December 3, 2018 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by greenthumbomaha (Post 720304)
Someone pointed out that Candy Cane Red does not retain it's stripes when grown to full maturity.


I might be able to help with seeds of some of the other varieties. Going to a holiday party across town tonight. Weather is brutal, but the food n fun is great. . Will check when I get back later this evening.


- Lisa

All of the sites I looked at says the same thing. They do mature to be red, but that would explain the red part of the name :)
Be careful in that weather.

EPawlick, Roulette Hybrid sounds like a good name for that variety.

Greatgardens December 4, 2018 10:34 AM

I tried "Fooled You" (supposedly a hybrid) a couple of times, and it didn't do well for me here in IN. I got very few peppers, although they were mild. Hope your luck is better. I'm going with Numex Primavera next spring, and hope it comes though for me. I'm not a pepper afficionado at all, but the Numex varieties I've grown previously have done well.
-GG

Cole_Robbie December 5, 2018 12:27 AM

Fooled You tasted like a green bell for me. It wasn't bad, but I just couldn't distinguish the taste any from green bell pepper. I could see the novelty of wanting a small pepper to stuff for those who are averse to regular jalapenos.

AlittleSalt December 5, 2018 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Cole_Robbie (Post 720358)
Fooled You tasted like a green bell for me. It wasn't bad, but I just couldn't distinguish the taste any from green bell pepper. I could see the novelty of wanting a small pepper to stuff for those who are averse to regular jalapenos.

Cole, that's what I think Jalapeno M tastes like when seeded and the inside walls scraped. We used to substitute Jalapenos cleaned that way for green bell peppers because it was cheaper to buy jalapenos than bell peppers.

I actually doubted starting this thread because of knowing what we both wrote above. I am hoping that there is a very mild jalapeno that tastes like a hot jalapeno but without the heat. I just looked up 'Capsaicin and flavor.' This site explains a lot, and I hope everyone who likes any heat level peppers reads it. https://scienceandfooducla.wordpress.../17/capsaicin/

Of course it has to be a nerve signals to the brain thing. If anyone
should have known that - it would be me. (For the 1% of the people reading this that doesn't know - I have two nerve diseases that sends false nerve signals to my brain.) ...more to think about.


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