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ARgardener April 20, 2017 03:22 PM

Seedmeal- Enough Nitrogen?
 
I converted the recommended nitrogen (per soil test) to a seedmeal based fert. using soybean meal and alfalfa meal. I converted and measured so that the amount of N present in the seedmeal is exactly that of what is recommended I applied.

I'm wondering, though, is there some other variable I'm looking over? Will my seedmeals be able to provide sufficient N or does it need to be supplemented with another source?

RayR April 21, 2017 11:01 AM

Just because N is present in a raw organic input doesn't mean that the N will be available immediately for your crop. It may take the entire season for just a percentage of that N to be available. The plant based nutrients are tied up in proteins in the meals and are released as microbes break them down over time. It's a good long term solution to increase plant available nutrients in the soil but if you need more N availability organically in the short term then supplementing regularly with a liquid Fish hydrolysate or Fish emulsion is an effective solution.

ARgardener April 21, 2017 12:46 PM

[QUOTE=RayR;633362]Just because N is present in a raw organic input doesn't mean that the N will be available immediately for your crop. It may take the entire season for just a percentage of that N to be available. The plant based nutrients are tied up in proteins in the meals and are released as microbes break them down over time. It's a good long term solution to increase plant available nutrients in the soil but if you need more N availability organically in the short term then supplementing regularly with a liquid Fish hydrolysate or Fish emulsion is an effective solution.[/QUOTE]

Thanks... I've got fish emulsion, I'll probably apply every 2 weeks or so?

Some people put bloodmeal in the planting hole, what do you think of that?

RayR April 21, 2017 01:56 PM

[QUOTE=ARgardener;633403]Thanks... I've got fish emulsion, I'll probably apply every 2 weeks or so?

Some people put bloodmeal in the planting hole, what do you think of that?[/QUOTE]

Every 2 weeks is OK, even weekly is OK if you are pushing it.
Blood meal is OK too as a fairly rapid source of N. The rate of mineralization of organic N from both plant and animal sources depends on soil temperature mostly, warmer soils in summer are optimal for the microbes to multiply and do their job.

ARgardener April 21, 2017 02:10 PM

[QUOTE=RayR;633418]Every 2 weeks is OK, even weekly is OK if you are pushing it.
Blood meal is OK too as a fairly rapid source of N. The rate of mineralization of organic N from both plant and animal sources depends on soil temperature mostly, warmer soils in summer are optimal for the microbes to multiply and do their job.[/QUOTE]

Gotcha. I've only planted a few crops so far using my seedmeal, so I think from now on I'll add some blood meal to the planting hole and then water with fish occasionally.

Soil here is plenty warm now and is warming quicker by the day :yes:

brownrexx April 21, 2017 06:17 PM

I am using blood meal this year as top dressing. It is my understanding that seed meals and feather meals are more of a sustained but slow release source of N.

I am not sure that accuracy is really required with measuring. I am sure that you will be fine.

ARgardener April 23, 2017 02:01 AM

Will probably just add a bit of low, organic all purpose to the planting holes


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