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Worth1 March 30, 2017 02:59 PM

Worth's 2017 Accidental Garden.
 
That is what it is because some of this stuff broke the laws of nature.
I just transplanted all of the sweet potatoes that survived the winter here into the raised beds.
Last year I let one vine grow up into a container and this spring it rewarded me with several slips.
Plus other ones coming up in places I didn't plant sweet potatoes.:lol:
My conclusion is at least here you can leave some in the ground for next year and this is what I did.
The ground doesn't freeze here so it wont kill the potato just the stuff above ground.

I have my four tomato plants taken care of and my two pepper plants are doing good.

The soil in the little bed is fantastic it is full of critters and fungus breaking down dead matter.
A white fungus layer all in it.:yes:
Next I am going to start soaking my okra seeds to get them going.
There is also a 3 foot tall Crape Myrtle that has sprouted from seed this year in the garden I need to transplant.
Worth

AlittleSalt March 30, 2017 03:29 PM

How long do you soak your okra seeds? I'm planting out the garden this weekend starting today. We bought Emerald to grow this year.

Worth1 March 30, 2017 03:40 PM

[QUOTE=AlittleSalt;628533]How long do you soak your okra seeds? I'm planting out the garden this weekend starting today. We bought Emerald to grow this year.[/QUOTE]

As long as it takes for them to germinate/sprout with little tails.
I have planted them with some pretty good tails and they still grew fine.

I just started mine.
Cow Horn and Long Pod Green.

Worth

AlittleSalt March 30, 2017 03:59 PM

Hmm, I've never sown them like that. I just checked the soil temperature in the raised bed I want to grow the okra in. It's 72F at 4" deep. It sounds like soaking the okra until it grows a tail would be quicker than just sowing the seeds.

Jimbotomateo March 30, 2017 04:07 PM

[QUOTE=Worth1;628529]That is what it is because some of this stuff broke the laws of nature.
I just transplanted all of the sweet potatoes that survived the winter here into the raised beds.
Last year I let one vine grow up into a container and this spring it rewarded me with several slips.
Plus other ones coming up in places I didn't plant sweet potatoes.:lol:
My conclusion is at least here you can leave some in the ground for next year and this is what I did.
The ground doesn't freeze here so it wont kill the potato just the stuff above ground.

I have my four tomato plants taken care of and my two pepper plants are doing good.

The soil in the little bed is fantastic it is full of critters and fungus breaking down dead matter.
A white fungus layer all in it.:yes:
Next I am going to start soaking my okra seeds to get them going.
There is also a 3 foot tall Crape Myrtle that has sprouted from seed this year in the garden I need to transplant.
Worth[/QUOTE]

Sounds like you're in the bonus round on your sweet taters!:lol:.im planting veggies now , can you explain your okra seeds soak. Is it in paper towels and then how do you get em in the soil? :) . Jimbo

Worth1 March 30, 2017 04:15 PM

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[QUOTE=Jimbotomateo;628547]Sounds like you're in the bonus round on your sweet taters!:lol:.im planting veggies now , can you explain your okra seeds soak. Is it in paper towels and then how do you get em in the soil? :) . Jimbo[/QUOTE]

Dish plate paper towel seeds paper towel water.
When they start to germinate I use a dibble to make holes in the soil for each seed one foot apart.
This dibble I made myself.
Worth
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Worth1 March 30, 2017 04:21 PM

[QUOTE=AlittleSalt;628542]Hmm, I've never sown them like that. I just checked the soil temperature in the raised bed I want to grow the okra in. It's 72F at 4" deep. It sounds like soaking the okra until it grows a tail would be quicker than just sowing the seeds.[/QUOTE]

Salt I even soak bean seeds over night first.

weaselbean March 30, 2017 05:19 PM

I've soaked them overnight but not till they sprouted. Sounds like the way to do it. I plant mine with a pencil stuck in the ground, no till gardening:lol: At the end of the summer you cant pull the darn things up from all the roots that buried themselves in the red dirt here. Just whack them off at the ground with a machete.

Worth1 March 30, 2017 06:01 PM

I'm hoping for a bumper crop of okra this year.
For something that is easy and cheap to grow I cant figure out why it is so costly in the store.

The tomato plants got about three hand fulls of Plant Tone in each container.
Then after they were planted I poured a circle of pure fish emulsion around them and watered.
Both raised beds have been line trimmed down to the soil.

Worth

bryanccfshr March 30, 2017 09:38 PM

How's it going Worth. Still growing some of those green varieties you gave me 11 years ago!

Gardeneer March 30, 2017 09:52 PM

I couldn't imagine Worth not having a garden. Glad to hear the news.

On the Okra start, I have done it once (Long ago ). I just planted the seeds in small pots and put then in the cold frame to keep them warm. I am not sure exactly how long it took but I remember being surprised as I was expecting them to take long time. This time I will try both soaking method and direct sowing in pot, in cold frame.

Now that I have sown my corn, bean, cukes, melons , its time for okra.
I have 3 varieties : NONE is Clemson Spineless :no:Those stuff got so tough before you could say 'AH':))
BTW. I see some corn and cuke sprouts emerging.

Worth1 March 30, 2017 10:00 PM

[QUOTE=bryanccfshr;628584]How's it going Worth. Still growing some of those green varieties you gave me 11 years ago![/QUOTE]

I'm doing fine how are you.
Not working up ((there)) anymore.
My choice after the wife passed away.
You would be surprised who all they fired and let go.

[QUOTE=Gardeneer;628586]I couldn't imagine Worth not having a garden. Glad to hear the news.

On the Okra start, I have done it once (Long ago ). I just planted the seeds in small pots and put then in the cold frame to keep them warm. I am not sure exactly how long it took but I remember being surprised as I was expecting them to take long time. This time I will try both soaking method and direct sowing in pot, in cold frame.

Now that I have sown my corn, bean, cukes, melons , its time for okra.
I have 3 varieties : NONE is Clemson Spineless :no:Those stuff got so tough before you could say 'AH':))
BTW. I see some corn and cuke sprouts emerging.[/QUOTE]

I saw a pile of corn coming up the other day just sprouting in the fields. :yes:

AlittleSalt March 30, 2017 10:11 PM

I didn't get started planting today. I got called away to go catch some fish. 8-)

On the way there, I noticed pecan trees are growing their green fuzzy stuff before leaves. I'm wondering if Pecan trees have leafed out in your area Worth?

Gardeneer March 30, 2017 10:24 PM

[QUOTE=AlittleSalt;628588]I didn't get started planting today. I got called away to go catch some fish. 8-)

On the way there, I noticed pecan trees are growing their green fuzzy stuff before leaves. I'm wondering if Pecan trees have leafed out in your area Worth?[/QUOTE]
I didn't plant anything today either. We went to Wilmington, NC foe shopping.

In my area pecans are bare. Almost every other three is leafing. I recall that black walnut was the last tree to leaf back in Atlanta, GA.

AKmark March 30, 2017 10:36 PM

My Dad is sick of AK winters, he is in Texas right now looking for a winter home. You guys may have to make some room for some northern, pale skinned, cold footed, Alaskans. The wife and I are sick of it too, we are going to see what the parents think during their scouting mission.

Worth1 March 30, 2017 10:36 PM

[QUOTE=AlittleSalt;628588]I didn't get started planting today. I got called away to go catch some fish. 8-)

On the way there, I noticed pecan trees are growing their green fuzzy stuff before leaves. I'm wondering if Pecan trees have leafed out in your area Worth?[/QUOTE]

I'm sure they have I will have to look tomorrow.

Worth

Worth1 March 30, 2017 10:42 PM

[QUOTE=AKmark;628590]My Dad is sick of AK winters, he is in Texas right now looking for a winter home. You guys may have to make some room for some northern, pale skinned, cold footed, Alaskans. The wife and I are sick of it too, we are going to see what the parents think during their scouting mission.[/QUOTE]

Great place to live hot summers but the winters are killer nice.
You will be growing tomatoes in the winter time here I have no doubt.:lol:
I think I was picking tomatoes at the end of March last year.
You could make a fortune here with a big green house with what you know.

Worth

AlittleSalt March 30, 2017 11:14 PM

[QUOTE=AKmark;628590]My Dad is sick of AK winters, he is in Texas right now looking for a winter home. You guys may have to make some room for some northern, pale skinned, cold footed, Alaskans. The wife and I are sick of it too, we are going to see what the parents think during their scouting mission.[/QUOTE]

Mark, you wont stay pale skinned here - unless you never go outside, but that wouldn't happen. Going with what Worth wrote below. With your greenhouse skills, you could grow /sell tomatoes here year-round.

I have to add a little shock factor :lol: Could you imagine using air conditioning in your greenhouses for 3+ months of the year here?

[QUOTE=Worth1;628593]Great place to live hot summers but the winters are killer nice.
You will be growing tomatoes in the winter time here I have no doubt.:lol:
I think I was picking tomatoes at the end of March last year.
You could make a fortune here with a big green house with what you know.

Worth[/QUOTE]

AKmark March 30, 2017 11:37 PM

It would only be for the winter, but my Dad may stay for at least 6 months out of the year. They just texted me and really like the area. I'm sure he will have a winter GH, that's where I get it from. LOL

AlittleSalt March 30, 2017 11:37 PM

[QUOTE=Jimbotomateo;628547]Sounds like you're in the bonus round on your sweet taters!:lol:.im planting veggies now , can you explain your okra seeds soak. Is it in paper towels and then how do you get em in the soil? :) . Jimbo[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Worth1;628551]Dish plate paper towel seeds paper towel water.
When they start to germinate I use a dibble to make holes in the soil for each seed one foot apart.
This dibble I made myself.
Worth
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Like I wrote above, I've never done it that way. When you plant the okra seeds with the tail on them - Is that tail planted downwards as a root, or is it the plant that tail needs to be planted upward? Maybe plant it sideways?

Worth1 March 31, 2017 12:07 AM

[QUOTE=AlittleSalt;628601]Like I wrote above, I've never done it that way. When you plant the okra seeds with the tail on them - Is that tail planted downwards as a root, or is it the plant that tail needs to be planted upward? Maybe plant it sideways?[/QUOTE]

The tail shouldn't be too long but sometimes things happen.:lol:
Maybe 1/16 to 1/8 inch is best and it is the root.
Down or on the side is best.
I have messed around and had to plant them with much longer roots.
My rule of thumb for seeds is to plant them around 2 to 3 times the size of the seed deep.
They need a good root system before they emerge from the soil.
BUT seeds will lay on top and drill their way in.
Some do this better than others.
When you see some of then germinating plant them all.

Worth

AlittleSalt March 31, 2017 12:16 AM

I will start some in the morning with this method. I really like the idea of letting the soil warm up some more. Okra likes it hot.

Worth1 March 31, 2017 10:32 AM

[QUOTE=AKmark;628600]It would only be for the winter, but my Dad may stay for at least 6 months out of the year. They just texted me and really like the area. I'm sure he will have a winter GH, that's where I get it from. LOL[/QUOTE]

Mark I can not tell you how many times I heard Alaskans say they have never been so cold in there life until they went through a Texas winter.:lol:
I would leave 30 below come home and freeze my tail off at 30 above.
People would ask me about this.
I told them 30 below doesn't feel cold it is almost like being in a fire.
I know you know what I mean.

[QUOTE=AlittleSalt;628605]I will start some in the morning with this method. I really like the idea of letting the soil warm up some more. Okra likes it hot.[/QUOTE]
Even a good 24 hour soaking without sprouting works great.
My logic behind this is seeds sprout at certain temperature.
Once they have sprouted then it is game on for them to grow.
As for the comment many people make about okra loving heat.
I tend to disagree a wee bit.
It ((tolerates)) heat but loves the mid temperatures around 75 degrees like any other plant.

My seeds are going in the ground either today or tomorrow regardless if they have germinated or not.
I bet that they will be germinating this afternoon or tonight.
I bought them last year.

Worth

bryanccfshr March 31, 2017 02:05 PM

[QUOTE=Worth1;628587]I'm doing fine how are you.
Not working up ((there)) anymore.
My choice after the wife passed away.
You would be surprised who all they fired and let go.



I saw a pile of corn coming up the other day just sprouting in the fields. :yes:[/QUOTE]

Oh, I didn't know, my condolences.
I have been working in the San Juan Basin for over 8 years now . I haven't been back to the slope since December 2008. But there have been a lot of chamges over the years.
Thought you would like to hear those green giants, and lime green salads you gave me are still going.

Worth1 March 31, 2017 02:30 PM

[QUOTE=bryanccfshr;628698]Oh, I didn't know, my condolences.
I have been working in the San Juan Basin for over 8 years now . I haven't been back to the slope since December 2008. But there have been a lot of chamges over the years.
Thought you would like to hear those green giants, and lime green salads you gave me are still going.[/QUOTE]

I remember that Black Cherry you sprouted from seed from one I had up there on the slope and hauled it home on the plane.:lol:

By the way thank you.
I decided to leave so I could have some sort of a life at home and do things I couldn't working there.
Time was going by way too fast.
I talked Lou and Francis the electrical foremen both into retiring before it was too late.
Both of them were very good friends of mine.
I sat both of them down and put the balance scales on the table for them.
I did the same for another guy that worked at GC 2 that lived in Colorado I cant remember his name to save my life.
He was the roustabout lead that worked for CH you know who I am talking about
Older red headed guy.
Getting those three guys off the slope was probably one of the best things I have ever did for anyone.
Francis was in his 70's and the other two were right behind him.
Worth

bryanccfshr March 31, 2017 02:50 PM

I remeber those guys I am glad they stopped the madness. Unless you live in AK it gets too hard.
That black cherry is a long standing regular. I grow every year.
Y every year tomatoes are black cherry, brandywine( through selection is has become a huge producer in pounds per plant). Cherokee purple is always reliable. And then I pick a couple for sport. Last year was Berkley tie dye,this year I am growing some extra green varieties and an old aunt gurdie gold line last grown in 2006(signature tomatoe)

I took this job so I could be home every night, , rotation was slowly killing me and my marriage has improved since stopping. The big. sacrifice was moving out of Texas and away from the ocean. Worth it.

Worth1 March 31, 2017 03:37 PM

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So many things going on at one time I sometimes dont know how I do it.
I have been cleaning and oiling the lathe cooking and trimming this darn Loquat tree at the same time.
I was waiting for the upper canopy to get bigger before I cut down the lower branches.
Now I can walk under the tree and get in the shade.
I will continue to do this to about the ten foot height.
They continuously put out suckers you have to prune or they will just be a big bush by pruning they become a nice tree.
I bought two of these little trees in one gallon containers.
Before and after.
Worth
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Worth1 March 31, 2017 06:09 PM

In keeping within the theme of the thread while weeding the bed at the end of the driveway I found some more sweet potato plants growing, left them there.
I found a lone tomato plant growing where my tomato patch was last year I have no idea what it is but I put a cage around it.
Rest assured it will be a good one but it wont be Galina's as it is regular leaf.
My wild guess is Black Cherry.
Worth

Merridiel March 31, 2017 08:25 PM

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[QUOTE=Worth1;628529]I just transplanted all of the sweet potatoes that survived the winter here into the raised beds.
Last year I let one vine grow up into a container and this spring it rewarded me with several slips.
Plus other ones coming up in places I didn't plant sweet potatoes.:lol:
My conclusion is at least here you can leave some in the ground for next year and this is what I did.
The ground doesn't freeze here so it wont kill the potato just the stuff above ground.[/QUOTE]

My sweet potatoes have done the same. I grew them in fabric pots, but I didn't realize that the roots grew right through the bottoms of the fabric pots and cut loose in the ground. I followed the roots for a few feet in every direction and then I just gave up. Well now they're sprouting. They're also sprouting in the compost pile that I may or may not have forgotten to turn in quite a while. That's fine by me, though. Food that I can't kill is the best food of all. :lol: I attached a picture of the bottom of one of the pots.

Gardeneer March 31, 2017 08:26 PM

Good luck with your accidental garden.
I could not have such a thing here. As there had been no garden before me and I started from scratch ( that is by scratching the grass :)))
BTW: One of the commercial crops grown around here is sweet potato.


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