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nctomatoman February 6, 2006 10:35 AM

A few things about Eggplant...
 
My wife, Sue, has done it - converted me from eggplant loather to lover. And, I've been surprised at how easy it is to get a great crop of them (we had 13 plants in pots last year and were completely overwhelmed with them). Plus, though you don't get the flavor variation that you do with tomatoes, the colors make them visually interesting to grow.....and saving seeds from the hybrids can lead to some great research experiments!

A few success factors from my view:

1. Start seeds and treat seedlings just like tomato seeds and seedlings. Eggplant seed is not viable for nearly as long as tomato seed, but 4-5 years seems to be OK.

2. A real key to success is avoiding the flea beetles early on! This is where I actually do go the chemical route - I spray my plants with a very dilute mix of sevin and diazanon (or malathion) prior to flowering/fruit set. If you can keep the flea beetles away early on, the plants will survive later on when they return - we don't like to spray once fruit is setting. If you don't want to spray, I wonder if a barrier such as Reemay would work well?

3. Eggplant thrive in pots - even 12 by 12 inches. Be sure to stake them - our NY Improved got to 6 feet tall last year. They like food and water at the same rate as tomatoes or peppers in pots. We ended up getting between 15 and 50 fruit per plant, depending upon the variety. The slender Asian varieties were virtual eggplatn machines!

4. Some of our favorites -

purple/white striped - Antigua (TGSC)
green - Green Giant (JSS)
black - New York Improved (bell shape, I got from a friend in a seed swap), Orient Express or Ichiban (JSS, TGSC - slender, long black)
white - many choices - Snowy, Cloud Nine are good ones (JSS, Stokes, etc)
lavendar - many choices - for bell shaped, Rosita or Neon; for slender, Ping Tung Long or Machiaw (JSS for Machiaw - the others TGSC)
Blushed white and lavendar/pink - bell shaped, Lavendar Touch (widely available), slender, Bride (Stokes, others)

There are also novelty types, such as Kermit (small round two tone green), Calliope, etc.

5. Saving seed - let the eggplant go yellow. Cut in half, fill a bowl with water, work your fingers into the flesh, working under water - the seeds separate easily. Pour through a sieve, spread on an unglazed paper plate - air dry for 1-2 weeks.

6. a few dehybridization experiments: Calliope gave me fruit that was indistinguishable from the hybrid. Lavendar Touch gave me one plant with similar looking fruit to the hybrid, and one that was white. Orient Charm gave me a nearly solid long pink/lavendar, and a very slender darker lavendar, neither looked like the parent.

Check out my eggplant pics here.

[url]http://nctomatoman.topcities.com/EggplantTable.htm[/url]

So what do we do with them? With the large diameter ones, eggplant parmesan (we bake the eggplant, not fry it - peel, slice, dip in egg/milk then breadcrumbs, bake 400 for 15-20 min until browned), with all of them we make Ratatouille, Baba Ganouj, dice it and put into soups, add to our tomato sauces, to Risotto....

Craig

Catntree February 6, 2006 10:53 AM

I like eggplant and want to grow it but...as you write, the flea beetles are tough on the plants. Last year, the potato beetles ate me eggplant to nothing...

So I've not had much lock growing eggplant.

geoguy_TN February 6, 2006 01:32 PM

Craig,

I decided to try an eggplant after reading your website last year - I have never been an eggplant lover, but I was not really aware of the non-black and non-bitter varieties. Anyway, I bought seeds for Fairy Tale since the description said that it was a small plant. I'm planting them in a raised bed near my tomatoes. It's OK to put them out in early April when I plant my tomatoes?

-Pete

TexasTomatoes February 6, 2006 02:33 PM

I have gottn into these the last couple of yrs. Eggplant are easy to save seed from as you can bag the flowers easier and one fruit yields TONS of seeds. I'm trying about 8 varieties this yr, All O.P.

cosmicgardener February 6, 2006 07:48 PM

Love the pics! Love Eggplants! Ours are fruiting up now but the drool worthy options make me want to start some more for next year. Cold climate, but they start off well in the greenhouse and because they don;t seem to mind pots, can be shifted outside for the short summer. Good thread glad someone thought of it!

Colorado_west February 6, 2006 08:28 PM

I like eggplant too and have a kitten that likes it. My mom always soaked the eggplants slices in salt water for an hour or so. Takes out bitter and water does turn black. Drain pat dry and go ahead with it. I plan on 3 kinds this year. Black beauty, white and a long Asian.

smallfarmer February 6, 2006 10:35 PM

Reemay works well for flea beatle protection. I use it every year. It also moderates the climate, warmer at night, a little shading when the plants are just put out, conserves moisture and provides wind protection. It works great--at least in my Central California climate. I used to use organic pesticides but don't need to anymore. Once the plants are big enough the reemay comes off and the plants are tough enough to handle a little chewing.

TomatoDon February 6, 2006 10:46 PM

I've grown eggplants in the past for fun, but no one likes to eat them. Not even me! They are so bland. I love growing them, but have nothing to do with them once they are grown. I know a couple of recipes have been posted here, but do any of you have more?

I just grow the potted ones I find at Wal Mart, etc. Just Black Beauty, I think it is called. Craig may get me interested again, and with peppers too if I hang out here too long!

Give me a good old fashioned Southern recipe for eggplant so I will have a real reason to grow them this year.

Don

montanamato February 6, 2006 10:48 PM

I love to grow eggplant but they are pretty challenging in our climate. When frost approaches I pull off the baby eggplants and grill them whole ....outstanding.
But, I would really like to get some with some size.
I usually grow Ukranian Beauty, Applegreen, and Ping Tung. this year adding White Sword and Round Mauve.

Jeanne

jerseyjohn61 February 6, 2006 11:23 PM

[b]I've grown several Cloud Nines the last few years in 10 and 12 in. pots on our south facing balcony. Very prouductive and conveniently sized for containers.

My wife loves these breaded and casserole baked with herded tomato puree and Mozzarella.[/b]

GManess February 7, 2006 02:36 AM

Re: Eggplant
 
I had never really eaten eggplant until 2 years ago when I grew about 4 Black Beauty's. First my wife and I breaded them and fried them like green maters. They were pretty good. Next time we did it we had them as a side dish with pasta and marinara sauce. The combination was so good that now when ever we fry them we place them on top of the pasta before covering it with marinara sauce. Diced up, it also makes a nice addition to tomato sauce. Give it a shot.

This year I am going to grow Rosa Bianca, Udumalpet, Listada de Gandia, and Florida High Bush

michael johnson February 7, 2006 04:21 AM

we love all forms of egg plant but I notice one of the members said he thought they were a bit bland in taste.

To vastly improve the flavour this how to do it ( as shown to me by a local Chinese resteraunt chef ) first put in the pan enough olive oil to cook with then chop up a nice large sweet type spanish onion and fry until quite brown first, then chop or slice the Egg plants (Aubergines) and put into pan together with a couple of slices of smoked bacon on top- toss in a small handfull of chopped mushrooms if you like as well, then place a lid on the top of pan and let steam and cook for about six minutes until egg plant just begin to turn brown, all the flavours of the onion and smoked bacon go into the Aubergine very very tasty and moorish when served with any other form of meat dish or just on its own.

Althea February 7, 2006 05:49 AM

This is great - an eggplant and an herb forum added! I love eggplant. We grew egg plant, Black Beauty for the first time last year. It was delicious. I plan on planting more BB and other earlier varieties this year. This year I'll start the seeds inside because we have such a short growing season.

I didn't know eggplants and tomatoes were in the same family.

Mischka February 7, 2006 07:40 AM

I grow a few eggplants every year to appease my wife; she detests eating tomatoes unless cooked beyond recognition. :wink:

Her favorite dish is eggplant parmesan served with ziti, so that's the only way I prepare it here.

I've only grown "Black Beauty" so I'm excited to hear about other varieties other Tomatovillians have grown.
I have noticed that eggplants are great aphid magnets in my growing area; they seem to congregate in great number on the leaves' undersides.

Althea, you and others here might find this link interesting and enlightening. It details the Solanaceae family in great depth. :)

[url]http://www.hvanbalken.com/plant.html[/url]

dokutaaguriin February 7, 2006 09:31 AM

Eggplants...hmmm.
You can't grow wrong with the deep purple Japanese ones, not the long light purple types.
Grilled whole, peeled and served with soy sauce and freshly grated ginger. Our family times our camping excursions to coincide with when our eggplants ripen so that we can sit around the campsite and gorge ourselves on these treats.
I did grow a Italian variety side by side some Japanese ones and for some inexplicable reason aphids loved the Italian one and not the Japanese. I find the Italian ones to be drier- probably because they can soak up the olive oil.
Jeff

Grub February 8, 2006 12:51 AM

Now Eggplants. What Next?
 
Hi Cosmic,
Which eggplant varieties are you growing this season? I tried a Russian mix from Diggers two seasons back and now, having read this thread, I'm all fired-up to try some other eggplants in pots.

The little striped orange ball-type eggplants,which looked a lot like a tigerella tomato, were great eaten raw like fruit.

Love the Japanese methods of cooking eggplant, especially grilled with miso and in underlying dashi broth. The small green bitter eggplant balls are a must for a real-deal Thai green curry. Like big ones sliced, layered with veal and heirloom tomato sauce, topped with small amount of mozzarella and baked.

Mostly, we barbecue eggplant on the chargriller or hot plate with the slightest spray of oil, along with zucchini and squash and sweet peppers or capsicums. Chop them up, add balsamic vinegar, S&P, handfuls of fresh herbs. Serve with grilled meats.

Take leftovers to work for lunch. Reheat other leftover veggies with homemade heirloom tomato sauce, hot pepper, handful of basil and toss through small amount of pasta. Mmmmm. Healthy and filling.

My tomato and hot pepper pot culture is going so well this season now all I need to do is add eggplant to the mix next year.

Good growing to one and all,
Grub :D

Althea February 8, 2006 07:37 AM

Thanks for the link Mischka. I didn't realize how many plants in the Solanaceae family I've been growing. Last year I had tomatoes, potatoes, peppers, eggplant, borage, nicotiana, datura, brugmansia, and browallia. This year I plan to also grow salpiglossis, and a new one in the SSE catalog, non-edible Solanaceae mamosum, "Nipple Fruit". Altheo picked that one.

A neighbor who grew the Japanese variety last year said they did well in this area and tasted great.

My favorite eggplant recipe is moussaka.

Cecilia_MD7a February 9, 2006 12:48 PM

I just love eggplant!
 
I don't know why people complain about the taste being bland - eggplants are like tofu; they seem to soak up the flavor of anything you cook them with/in.

Last year I tried Fairy Tale hybrid and was a little disappointed in it - it just wasn't that productive for me, and since the fruits were so small, I felt that I never had enough. I don't think I'll grow them again this year.

For some reason, the two varieties that have done the best for me are hybrids: Neon and Lavender Touch. I've also grown Black Beauty, Burpee Hybrid, Casper, and Applegreen.

shelleybean February 10, 2006 11:14 AM

I've grown a few varieties but last year I only had room for two Louisiana Long Green plants. From these two plants, I picked at least 40 eggplant! The longer, Asian types seem to produce more fruit than the globe shaped Italian varieties for me. Of course, the fruits are smaller.
The funny thing was that one of my LLG plants produced white blossoms and the other had purple ones! The fruit brom both plants was the same.

giardiniere February 10, 2006 12:33 PM

When growing eggplant from seed, is it OK to start them in flats, and transplant to individual pots after the first true set of leaves (much like tomatoes)..... or will they suffer from transplant shock using this method? In lieu, is it better to sow them in the individual pots from the get-go? I'm starting Listada de Gandia this weekend, and was curious.

shelleybean February 10, 2006 01:22 PM

I start them in three inch pots and leave them there the full ten weeks until planting them into the garden. They do fine that way. I see the SESE catalog recommends sowing the seeds in flats and them moving them to three inch pots later, so you can do it either way.

Listada de Gandia is a gorgeous variety!

nctomatoman February 10, 2006 01:44 PM

They are grown exactly like tomatoes - I start them planted thickly in my cell flats, then transplant to 4 inch pots, then to a final resting place. I find that peppers and eggplant are easier to transplant, with a slightly higher success rate, than tomatoes - a bit more rigidity to the stems, and don't get as leggy.

If you like the color of Listada di G but want more productivity in a slender shape, try Antigua (or Antiguan) - TGSC carries it. Fairy Tale is an even smaller version.

To me, perhaps the most beautiful of all is Purple Rain or Zebra hybrids (they grow out pretty much identically). And saved seed gave the same color (in a very limited test).

giardiniere February 10, 2006 02:13 PM

Thanks to Michele and Craig for the help. I had wanted to start them in flats, but then I began to second-guess myself, until I read Craig's original post, that said to treat them exactly like tomatoes. I think this might be the first time I've started eggplant from seed, unless it was years ago. I generally just get whatever our local greenhouse has....... which isn't much.

EbbMc February 10, 2006 05:14 PM

They are grown exactly like tomatoes

Craig: Maybe I`ve been doing it wrong but I do`nt bury the stem when I tranplant the seedling.Do they grow roots Like tomatos?I have not had much luck growing them and am going to try them in a kiddie pool this year instead of the garden.
Also do you have a photo showing that 6 foot eggplant that you could post?
Ebb

Sorellina February 10, 2006 06:19 PM

I grew a white eggplant called Bianca last year from Solana Seeds and it was so-so, both in terms of production and in flavour. That it was grown in dappled sunlight provided by a large cherry tree could have something to do with the former. I also grow Violetta Lunga and it's been very reliable, even in the same dappled sunlight. This year, I'm trying Casper and Antigua. I'm putting them in 15 gallon IKEA buckets that I grew indeterminate tomato plants in (yes, they got too big, lol) and I'm planning on staking them with 5' bamboo poles. I hope that's good enough for our summer thunderstorms.

If any of you would like some recipes, I have quite a few. Some of our favourite ways of preparing eggplant are marinated in balsamic vinegar, garlic, and basil, caponata, parmesana, and fritti. Fritti are egg/milk/seasoned bread crumb batter fried bites.

Let me know and I'll post them in the recipes section.

Worth1 February 13, 2006 01:20 PM

I love eggplant; it is the first plant that I grew in the garden that was truly mine and mine alone.
I had to haul water in 3 pound coffee cans that I had put wire on for handles.
I had about 20 of the things and I was about 11 years old at the time.
Last year I grew Florida market and lavender touch they got about 4 feet tall.
They are a good trap plant for insects such as grasshoppers.
So even if you don’t like to eat the things they are a beautiful plant.
There must be a thousand ways to cook the things.
The only bad eggplant is one that has not been eaten.
DID I TELL YALL I LOVE EGGPLANT

montanamato February 13, 2006 02:09 PM

Sorellina,

I love all things eggplant and would love to see more recipes.
I have good recipes for eggplant bhurta and a gratin with balsamic vinegar which is really good.
I am just trying to decide which seeds to start today. I think I will only plant in containers this year as the garden eggplants have a tough time here.

Jeanne

cdntomato February 13, 2006 02:25 PM

Jeanne, have you tried Morden Early bred at the AgCanada's Morden, Manitoba experimental farm. Glenn has it listed, but I may have a few extra seeds. Full size traditional purple eggplant on dwarf plant. Early and hardy.

Also did you get Melfort tomato from eyolf yet?

Jennifer

mdvpc February 13, 2006 02:25 PM

I have had some success with using de (diatomaceous earth) using it by dusting the plant with it. It only works with dry leaves so you have to do it when its not raining etc-if it rains, I dust them again.


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