Short and sweet 2020
 

Potted up the The F4 growout of my six selections today. The amber and GWR striped saladette size on the 14” dwarfs, the gs red and yellow on yellow saladettes on the small indeterminate dwarfs and the red and the yellow striped semideterminate highly branched non Rugose dwarfs .
Looking forward to seeing how they do this year. They are really Cute and very tiny little seedlings at this early stage.
KarenO

I love the micros at such a young, small size. Good luck with the F4's. Can't wait to see them develop for you.

Big difference and growing well already after a week potted up in the greenhouse.
KarenO

F4 of my non Rugose dwarfs already showing their unusual early branching. These are 2.5” pots for scale and they just have their Second set of leaves and they are already suckering.
My two selections from the F3 of these last year were a sweet red and a matching yellow gs cherry on highly branching semi determinate plants with short internodes.
I’m happy to see these unusual features again already in these small seedlings. Ive not personally seen a tomato sucker so fast, ever. The branching habit made them very productive last year and I am Hoping for a repeat.
I think they have potential to be great for baskets
KarenO

Looking great Karen! Short, sweet and early sounds right up my street :).

Linda

[QUOTE=Labradors2;755468]Looking great Karen! Short, sweet and early sounds right up my street :).

Linda[/QUOTE]

Thank you Linda! They sure are fun to grow :)
KarenO

May 1, F4 selections are growing nicely.
KarenO

beautiful plants growing so well so quickly!

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Are those Micro's or regular Dwarf's

[QUOTE=tryno12;755667]Are those Micro's or regular Dwarf's[/QUOTE]

Some of each,but they are all small plants. the non micros in the short and sweet project are small determinate and indeterminate dwarfs, max of about 3’
To illustrate, On the Left a potato leaf dwarf of mine , on the right is a dwarf from the Short and sweets. Both planted the same day.
KarenO

[COLOR="DarkOrange"]"on the right is a dwarf from the Short and sweets. Both planted the same day"[/COLOR] from post #11 , so I Assume that means the one on the right is a micro dwarf that you are calling a dwarf?:?!?::?!?:

I said they are all small dwarfs. The “micro” selections I am working on, an Amber and a gwr gs striped saladette are determinate and top out at about 14” the indeterminate selections are small delicate dwarfs plants that grew to a max of about 3 feet. the plant on the left in this photo is a dwarf of mine as well, but a large dwarf that is not from the short and sweet project. I used it to illustrate that these are small dwarfs in my short and sweet project but may not meet somebody else’s definition of micro so I don’t use that term necessarily. There is no standard definition really although personally I think anything under 2 feet at full maturity is a very small dwarf.
I don’t care much about labels of micro this or that. People get hung up on definitions and imo breeding for a specific height limits many other factors which I think explains why most micros are cute, very similar and Totally blah from my experience.
I am breeding small dwarfs, something different from the dozens of red and yellow Microdwarf cherries that are hard to tell apart for me.
If interested in what selections these F4’s are from, there are lots of photos from the original short and sweet thread of the F3’s
It’s not my goal whatsoever to do what everyone else is doing. My primary goal for these is flavour in a small dwarf. Whether that meets whatever definition of micro somebody uses is not important.
Some will. Obviously the indeterminate selections will not but they were selected for other criteria.

KarenO

Thanks Karen, Got it now. I probably should have researched your earlier short and sweet posts/works. I have grown some of Dan's crosses and thought that you were growing some micro's but now see small dwarfs - that's a good idea for sure: a little larger plant and better tasting.
Pete

Thanks for your interest, I’ll post more as the season progresses. :)
KarenO

Short and sweets front right. Shows the contrast between some indeterminate plants and some regular larger dwarfs on the left front. They were all planted the same day except the six big ones in the back wall
Planting time this week ahead.
KarenO

Wow! Awesome. Thanks for the photos Karen

Transplant day

Planted up the Short and sweets. The little guys will live in the greenhouse, the larger dwarfs out in the garden or in pots
Looking forward to seeing how they do
KarenO

Karen beautiful photos, I love to see your photos

I love dwarf seedlings! I'm guessing short and sweet is something I should follow.

[QUOTE=Shrinkrap;756045]I love dwarf seedlings! I'm guessing short and sweet is something I should follow.[/QUOTE]

well they will be short, and sweet I hope you will follow :)
They will be different than what’s generally available if I have my way
Thank you for the interest Nico also!
KarenO

Beautiful plants! Are some of the short and sweet's similar to like Vilma and Venus?:?!?:
Pete

[QUOTE=tryno12;756053]Beautiful plants! Are some of the short and sweet's similar to like Vilma and Venus?:?!?:
Pete[/QUOTE]

Well I’m really not trying to achieve something similar to what’s already available there would not be much fun in that. Breeding micro to micro is the easy way to get a micro of course which mostly explains why so many are very similar, to point of indistinguishable in many cases. So many mainly identical red or yellow cherries already.
The main goal of this project originally was to see what could be done about adding some flavour to the equation and to do that it needed to come from somewhere else besides a fairly nondescript flavoured micro and so I crossed several standard micros, (Venus was one I used)the best ones I’ve tried with full size indeterminate beefsteaks that I really love the flavour of.
The very wide cross resulted in some small dwarfs selected out of a very big F2 grow-out with the help of my good friend Teresa S in North Carolina.
We have several micros including a green cherry and green striped saladette size on a micro plant which Are flavourful and pretty unique. The project has also expanded beyond micro to other small indeterminate dwarfs that had great flavour. Now at F4 and F5 the challenge is to finish stabilizing them maintaining the big tomato taste in the small package.
I think they are interesting and quite different and that is my goal.

new topic help
 

I apologize but: this isn't the right place but: How do i post a new topic??? i am thick :dizzy:and can't figure it out???

Sorry for the question but i'm lost and don't remember how to post..........:dizzy::dizzy:

Go to the main page, select which sub forum ie general discussion, crosstalk etc that your thread pertains to and then you will see new topic upper left. Click on that and write your post.
KarenO

Great healthy seedlings, Karen! And I especially like your pots (red are looking very nice indeed). We have no such things here unfortunately.

[QUOTE=Andrey_BY;756100]Great healthy seedlings, Karen! And I especially like your pots (red are looking very nice indeed). We have no such things here unfortunately.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Andrey! The pots are just some inexpensive buckets from what we call the “ dollar store” ( lots of cheap housewares etc)
Holes drilled for drainage they are about 2 gallons which is a good size for the smallest dwarfs in my project
KarenO

We also have dollar stores here, but without such buckets.
Maybe our gardeners just not using pots/buckets much. But it is certainly ideal for dwarfs.

Posted a short video of some of the plants today on my northern gardener page if interested
[url]https://m.facebook.com/NorthernGardenerCanada/[/url]

KarenO