Very early determinante tomatoes
 

Next year I will grow 34 plants determinate tomatoes. I will test them for resistance to cold and frost and watch the DTM. I will also try to hardening of the seeds and seedlings for planting at low temperatures. All the data from this experiment I will write and do picture documentation. I am looking forward to this job.
Around January 20 I want to sow the following varieties:
0-33
I-2
M-22
Saraev Gruntovyi
Saraev Druzhnyi
Saraev Otbor 1
Saraev Stoikyi
Saraev Shtambovyi
42 days
Latah
Kalinka
Jagodka
Darinka F1


Vladimír

A great experiment. Very interested in your results. Good luck Vladimir.

Neat. I have 42 Days. I'm also going to try Klukva v Sahare, Pendulina Orange and Red, Podarok Fei, Polarnij Skorospelyi, Roza Vetrov, Russkaya Dusha, Sladkij Ponchik, Sol Gold, Southern Nights, Taos Trail, and Utyonok. I believe that all of them are early determinates. I would like to find a good variety for an early crop in low tunnels.

Fantastic thread! Please note the taste as well.. :D

Cole Robbie, both Pendulinas are best for hanging baskets - or you use high pots. Otherwise the plants will crawl on the soil, not really good.

42 Days, Kljukva W Sahare, Polarnij Skorospelyi, Roza Vetrov, Utyonok will surely do fine in a low tunnel. As to the others I'm not absolutely sure, but of course it depends on how "low" your tunnel is.

Sol Gold, Sladkij Ponchik were about 3 ft or a bit more in my garden.

ok. Thanks. I will grow most of the plants in hanging baskets.

I grow on black plastic mulch stretched over ridges of soil. The smallest of the low tunnel designs I have seen has an 18 inch height. I had the crazy idea that the hanging basket varieties would grow to completion in a space that size. I think the vines can touch the plastic and be ok.

If I can find something to grow profitably in the 18" tunnel, I could buy the machine to lay the low tunnel that is pulled behind a tractor, and then grow hanging basket cherry tomatoes by the acre.

Gold Nugget was my earliest last summer. The taste was OK, I'd say good - the growth vigorous but manageable, very resistant to various ailments that attacked my other plants. My fave early cherry from now on.

[QUOTE=NarnianGarden;521162]Gold Nugget was my earliest last summer. The taste was OK, I'd say good - the growth vigorous but manageable, very resistant to various ailments that attacked my other plants. My fave early cherry from now on.[/QUOTE]

Have you ever tried Koralik? I've never tried Gold Nugget, but I've been thinking for a while now that they would complement each other nicely, with the Koralik being a red cherry early determinate. They are soft, but I think they taste great. Very dependable, too.

[QUOTE=MrBig46;521111]Next year I will grow 34 plants determinate tomatoes. I will test them for resistance to cold and frost and watch the DTM.[/QUOTE]

Hi Vlad, your work will be very interesting for me. Thank you.

No, not yet, Bipetual. I got seeds for it, but could not find any spot for it, so it was off my list ... :)

[QUOTE=Cole_Robbie;521131]I would like to find a good variety for an early crop in low tunnels.[/QUOTE]

You may want to consider 0-33, another of Saraev's varieties which Vlad is growing. In 2015 it was earlier, better tasting (for me) and much more productive than my prior go-tos - Kalinka, Arctic Fire & Polbig F1. I found it not quite as productive as Early Doll F1, but definitely earlier.

thanks

[QUOTE=Cole_Robbie;521131]Neat. I have 42 Days. I'm also going to try Klukva v Sahare, Pendulina Orange and Red, Podarok Fei, Polarnij Skorospelyi, Roza Vetrov, Russkaya Dusha, Sladkij Ponchik, Sol Gold, Southern Nights, Taos Trail, and Utyonok. I believe that all of them are early determinates. I would like to find a good variety for an early crop in low tunnels.[/QUOTE]

:roll:PodarokFeiPolarnijSkorospelyiRozaVetrovRusskayaDushaSladkijPonchik...with a few commas thrown in.:?:
You shouldn't go near a keyboard so soon after the holiday cheer.;)

(I'll hopefully have a few more for you, soon););)

sweet

I have tried many EARLY varieties but most were indet, except one : SILETZ. It is said to have DTM =~ 60. Also, of all the early once Siletz has bigger fruits : 5 to 8 oz. It is also kinda parthenocarpic , meaning can fruit in bold weather. ALSO, it is OP/heirloom.

Gardeneer

[QUOTE=Cole_Robbie;521131]Neat. I have 42 Days. I'm also going to try Klukva v Sahare, Pendulina Orange and Red, Podarok Fei, Polarnij Skorospelyi, Roza Vetrov, Russkaya Dusha, Sladkij Ponchik, Sol Gold, Southern Nights, Taos Trail, and Utyonok. I believe that all of them are early determinates. I would like to find a good variety for an early crop in low tunnels.[/QUOTE]

FWIW I really like Podarok Fei, but for me, planted right next to the somewhat similar Zolotoe Serdtse, Podarok takes longer -- perhaps 2 or 3 weeks longer -- to get cranked up to serious production. They've both done pretty well here in our not-tomato-friendly environment, though, even without much special protection -- and both, when happy, surprised me by the size of fruit they produced. The fruit of both has proved to keep pretty well, too.

I believe Zolotoe is listed as an indeterminate, but, for me, both had plants and fruit pattern that were similar, except that Zolotoe began serious producing earlier.

If it wasn't for the production time difference, I'd probably just grow Podarok, so in your warmer zone it may not make that much difference. But Victory seeds carries both, I think, if you want to compare, even if just to have the info stashed in a corner of your mind for possible future reference. (DTM listed by Victory are often longer than what I observe, even here, but, as with much DTM info, I find reported DTMs useful indicators of relative maturity time of different varieties -- [B]MUCH[/B] more useful than those who just list varieties as early, mid or late.)

Great list! and would sure love to hear about results. Will too be growing few of Saraev varieties as well as Aurora from Tania, and few of seeds from Ukraine, new to me- Pchelka/ busy bee/ and Ideal.
From other small det or semi det? I really loved Pravda from Doublehelix farms. Small compact, grape like fruit, early, abundant and very very tasty.
[url]http://www.doublehelixfarms.com/pravda[/url]

This evening I begin the hardening tomato seeds 0-33. The seeds will gradually after twelve hours exposed to these changing environments:
12 hours dipping in warm water
12 hours of drying at room temperature
12 hours exposed to frost -2 ° C to -5 ° C
12 hours at room temperature
12 hours dipping in warm water
12 hours…………………………………………………………………..
This process will repeat until January 20, when the seeds will be sown together with other seeds so I can compare.
Plants from seeds stimulated in this way are characterized by a shorter growing season and better resist unfavorable declines in temperature (verified professional field trials undertaken during three years).
Vladimír

A couple questions-

How long do you dip them into the warm water? Is the warm water about body temperature or???

Are the seeds left uncovered and exposed in the cold 12 hours, in a packet, or cover of some sort?

Sounds interesting, and I look forward to reading about your results.

What breed is the dog in your avatar, please?

Interesting idea... I'd love to learn more. Please share the study / articles if you still have the links, when you have time.

[QUOTE=MrBig46;521459]This evening I begin the hardening tomato seeds 0-33. The seeds will gradually after twelve hours exposed to these changing environments...
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[QUOTE=imp;521465]A couple questions-

How long do you dip them into the warm water? Is the warm water about body temperature or???

Are the seeds left uncovered and exposed in the cold 12 hours, in a packet, or cover of some sort?

Sounds interesting, and I look forward to reading about your results.

What breed is the dog in your avatar, please?[/QUOTE]

They maintain the required temperature in the refrigerator and use other similar devices equipped with thermostats. I do not have this option and I must find a place in the apartment with the required temperature. I do not have exactly the same temperature, but I think that this should not be so crucial influence on the outcome:
12 hours dipping in 18 ° C water
12 hours of drying at 21- 22 ° C
12 hours Exposed to frost in the night
In the years 1960 - 1963 was tested in attempts the prepare the seeds before the seeding - 32 ways (financed from the state budget). Of these, some successful, one of them is presented here, hardening seeds.
12 hours dipping in 14- 16 ° C water
12 hours of drying at 18- 20 ° C
12 hours Exposed it frost -2 ° C to -5 ° C
12 hours at 18- 20 ° C
12 hours dipping in 14-16 ° C
12 hours ........................................................................... ..

They maintain the required temperature in the refrigerator and use other similar devices equipped with thermostats. I do not have this option and I must find a place in the apartment with the required temperature. I do not have exactly the same temperature, but I think that this should not be so crucial influence on the outcome:
12 hours dipping in 18 ° C water
12 hours of drying at 21- 22 ° C
12 hours Exposed to frost in the night outdoors
Forecast for the next nights:
Wednesday -3 ° C
Friday -7 ° C
Sunday -7 ° C
Tuesday - 1 ° C
12 hours at 21- 22 ° C
12 hours dipping in 18 ° C
12 hours ...........................................................................

Tibetan Spaniel (she is Tess) is darling of my wife.
Vladimír

Robbie and Vlad, if you have room for one more, PM me your address, I have one very early red determinate from seed I saved from a friend's plant. I would be interested for you to try up against the others you mentioned if you are interested or have the space.
This is not a known variety, fine dark green foliage, determinate, red, salad size. very early but can't say for sure the DTM
KO

[QUOTE=MrBig46;521660]Tibetan Spaniel (she is Tess) is darling of my wife.
Vladimír[/QUOTE]

A great picture of a very beautiful dog. Thank you.

With the hardening of seeds I started the evening on Dec. 29, 2015, when I soaked twenty tomato seeds 0-33. Today I am behind half of hardening cycle (6 x freeze). I want to sow the seeds either the 18th or 20 January. I want also simultaneously sow the twenty untreated seeds as a control. I do not know yet exactly when and where I'll grow seedlings. I will probably grow part freely in the bed and a portion in a hotbed.Given that I will plant very early, I count with big losses, perhaps there will be no tomatoes from this experiment. Because I will be to plant seedlings very early, I count with big losses, it may be no tomatoes from this experiment.
Vladimír
PS.: Karen, thank you for the offer. I really have no place this year.

Very nice Vladimir, I'll be tuned in. Sowed seeds yesterday for 0-33 and Taimyr, in a couple more weeks I think I'll start Latah and Manitoba. Bring them along under lights, harden and move them to a portable greenhouse at the earliest possible time. I'm wanting tomatoes by early May.

And best of luck on your project.

0-33, You think the breeder was implying a tolerance to wide temperature range? In Fahrenheit those numbers are 32-91.

Last year I did a pretty large grow out of determinates in AK, my favorites was Sasha's Altai, Glacier, and 0-33. This year I have the entire Saraev collection from Tania, and will see how they do.
I would rate S.A. the best so far, it had the largest tomatoes, but the three I did mention all tasted good.
Siletz was a spitter, Sophies Choice, barely ok, Silvery Fir Tree was barely ok. Sub Arctic Plenty was good.

Very interested in hearing the results of these seed treatments, Vladimir. :yes:
Of the determinate reds I've tried here so far, only one was earlier than Stupice: Beaverlodge Plum. It loaded with fruit for such a small plant, but the taste was not interesting.. very mild.
The only ones that I liked taste and quality were Alaska and Napoli a Fiaschetto - but these are 10-15 days later than Stupice, so "mid season" for us.
Cold Set and Siletz tasted good enough here, but both of them burst all their fruits, not one was picked without splits. :( They were also about 10-15 days later than Stupice.
I haven't yet tried any of the varieties you are growing this season. They sure are interesting to read about.8-)

Sasha's Altai at seedling stage. Yes!