pH for sweets?
 

My goal this year is too grow sweets. Don't matter the color or shape I just want something to eat. I grow the hots and super hots and have for years and have to give them away. Tender taste buds here.

I have no problem growing productive hots, but can't get a decent sweet to grow for anything. I realize, I think anyways, that since most sweets are larger peppers that you don't get as many fruits, but I know I should be getting more than a couple, two three per plant. Than again I look at some folks pics here on TV and they have lots of fruits on their sweets, so I know I'm not doing something right.

I been studying several pepper seed sites and see that they suggest pH of 5.6 to 6.2. Is this right? Do sweets need a lower pH? A couple of years ago I grew about 20 plants of sweet varieties and didn't even get enough peppers to fill half of a five gallon bucket. Was a bit depressing. Truth, it was a whole depressing. Even the few peppers I got were not a decent size. Puny things and odd shaped they were. The problem I believe is with me and lack of knowledge with them.

I been raking my brain trying to figure out where I going wrong. I grow in containers. Peppers will get 3 to 5 gallon containers. They get the same as hots for water and ferts. I use MG 6 days a week than one day clear flushing, Tomato Tone will be used on sweets for first time, since I only learned about it last year, and I use Epsom Salt.

Would somebody please, who grows sweets tell me how they do theirs. I went shopping for sweets this year, got some from trades here and some from MMMM swap and while I can handle losses from seed I bought, I don't want to lose seed from TV'ers and their hard work.

I've got the seed to experiment with different methods to try and find how to do it right, just need help in methods to try.

I've got 8.5, my recommendation is that you mostly forget about ph. Sweet peppers can be any size or shape. Growing conditions are the same as hots, in fact, most are easier than chinense or pubescens peppers. If you can grow hot peppers, you can grow peppers in general.

Bell peppers are somewhat tricky, specially if you want them red. Solution is simple, grow other varieties that can be used the same way. The question is ... how do you want to use them? Frying, fresh in salads, oven ...

I'm not going to get in any pH arguments but I feel it is important.
In my soil a pH of 8.5 the plants would just sit there and do nothing.
Soils differ as to what plants will grow in as far as pH from what I have read.
I have no other experience but my own to offer.
Pepper plants of all types like a pH on the acidic side just like tomatoes.
Growing big giant sweet bells mystify me I have no idea how these people do it.:lol:

Worth

Ella, I can send you seeds of Spanish sweet pepper Najerano Rojo (excelent) , only I do not know if it would had grown up. It says that peppers must be on the sun and must have a wet feet
If you're interested so write.
Vladimír

Please note that "like", "prefer" ... don't mean "require". Most plants will grow in a wide ph range, even if they would choose another if allowed to. As long it's not extreme, most things will grow perfectly.

Ph is not everything. Depending on what is high or low in the soil, limits will move. Also, soil life affects ph and nutrient availability at root level.

I would just try, and only after having problems, start to tweak soil. It's not true that tomatoes and peppers need acid soils. Don't believe everything you read. Some books say we can't grow orange trees, luckily, we never let our trees read those books.

I grow only sweet peppers and my pH is 8.2-8.5. There is no problem growing great plants and getting peppers. My problem is the short growing season where mostly I get very few ripe fruits. Lots of green and a few yellows and reds. The flavor is very sweet depending more on the variety than the soil condition, I think.

A cousin had giant bell peppers and I dug up his plants before the frost hit them(with permission).I overwintered in the house and planted them in my garden the next year.
In my garden they were just regular size,so ph or ground quality must be a big factor in pepper size.

[QUOTE=PaulF;625862]I grow only sweet peppers and my pH is 8.2-8.5. There is no problem growing great plants and getting peppers. My problem is the short growing season where mostly I get very few ripe fruits. Lots of green and a few yellows and reds. The flavor is very sweet depending more on the variety than the soil condition, I think.[/QUOTE]

Paul, Curious how tall yours get? I have a longer growing season than you but I even had trouble getting them to ripen before the frost. In my case I think it is either not quite enough sun. They get about 6 hours per day and/or they are just too tall. In other words they put so much energy in plant growth and not enough in fruit growth. I have seen a number of videos on-line recommending to top pepper plants. I think I will give that a try this season.

Depending on the variety most are in the two to three foot tall range. They usually fill a small tomato cage easily. More sun may the answer. I get lots of peppers, they just do not ripen until just before frost. Purchased shorter season peppers this year just to what happens.

[QUOTE=Starlight;625828]...I have no problem growing productive hots, but can't get a decent sweet to grow for anything...

I been raking my brain trying to figure out where I going wrong. I grow in containers. Peppers will get 3 to 5 gallon containers. They get the same as hots for water and ferts. I use MG 6 days a week than one day clear flushing, Tomato Tone will be used on sweets for first time, since I only learned about it last year, and I use Epsom Salt.
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Star, I think the paragraph quoted above may give a few clues. Here's what came to mind:

If you can grow "hots", you can grow "sweets". With your sweets, I think you may be experiencing flower drop. As hot as it gets in Alabama in the middle of Summer, the peppers are going to shed blooms to help the plant survive. Try using partial shade or sun-cloth during the hottest part of the day. Your "hot" peppers are probably c.Chinense, which usually originate from more temperate climates and can tolerate the heat somewhat better than c.Annuums, which is what most "sweet" peppers are.

3 gallon containers are a little small; 5 gallon will work better; larger would be better yet.

Watering every day is WAY too much for a pepper plant. Peppers do NOT like wet feet. Rather, let the plant tell you when to water. If the dirt is dry to the second knuckle or if the plant begins to wilt are a couple of ways to tell. If your plant wilts every day, either the sun is too hot for it or your planting mix is a problem.

Fertilizing every watering is WAY too much fertilizer. I fertilize at plantout and then side-dress during mid-season. That's it. Tomato Tone is a great choice for peppers.

Hopefully, if you consider some or all of these things, your success with sweets will improve.

Best of luck and hope you have a great growing season!

Star, I agree with rdback. Especially the shading and watering.

[QUOTE=PaulF;625862]I grow only sweet peppers and my pH is 8.2-8.5. There is no problem growing great plants and getting peppers. My problem is the short growing season where mostly I get very few ripe fruits. Lots of green and a few yellows and reds. The flavor is very sweet depending more on the variety than the soil condition, I think.[/QUOTE]

I been trying to keep my pH for the peppers around 6.2 to 6.5. Maybe I am too low.

[QUOTE=MrBig46;625857]Ella, I can send you seeds of Spanish sweet pepper Najerano Rojo (excelent) , only I do not know if it would had grown up. It says that peppers must be on the sun and must have a wet feet
If you're interested so write.
Vladimír[/QUOTE] Thanks Vladimir. Will send pm.

[QUOTE=slugworth;625912]A cousin had giant bell peppers and I dug up his plants before the frost hit them(with permission).I overwintered in the house and planted them in my garden the next year.
In my garden they were just regular size,so ph or ground quality must be a big factor in pepper size.[/QUOTE]

I bet when you dug them up you were all excited, then wondered Huh? when you got smaller ones.


[QUOTE=rdback;626105]Star, I think the paragraph quoted above may give a few clues. Here's what came to mind:

If you can grow "hots", you can grow "sweets". With your sweets, I think you may be experiencing flower drop. As hot as it gets in Alabama in the middle of Summer, the peppers are going to shed blooms to help the plant survive. Try using partial shade or sun-cloth during the hottest part of the day. Your "hot" peppers are probably c.Chinense, which usually originate from more temperate climates and can tolerate the heat somewhat better than c.Annuums, which is what most "sweet" peppers are.

3 gallon containers are a little small; 5 gallon will work better; larger would be better yet.

Watering every day is WAY too much for a pepper plant. Peppers do NOT like wet feet. Rather, let the plant tell you when to water. If the dirt is dry to the second knuckle or if the plant begins to wilt are a couple of ways to tell. If your plant wilts every day, either the sun is too hot for it or your planting mix is a problem.

Fertilizing every watering is WAY too much fertilizer. I fertilize at plantout and then side-dress during mid-season. That's it. Tomato Tone is a great choice for peppers.

Hopefully, if you consider some or all of these things, your success with sweets will improve.

Best of luck and hope you have a great growing season![/QUOTE]

You may be right. That could be part of the problem. Didn't think about our heat and humidity or realize that sweets can't take the heat as much. I had them out with the hots and they were out in the hot sun from about 8 am to 6 pm when the normal shade from trees would cover them in the evening.

I have a shade house area. I'll try that with them. Usually about end of May and beginning of June we already hitting the 90's and by July, Aug and Sept. High 90's to over 100F with 100 % humidity.

Once a pepper plant wilts isn't it ruined? I thought I read that somewhere, never to let them wilt.

[b]ilex[/b] Guess the quote didn't work. I will eat a sweet pepper any which way. Stuffed, fresh, fried, on pizza especially, soups. Plus the kids and seniors I grow and feed, they can't do the hots either, so I really want to have a decent crop of sweets this year. :D

Peppers can grow in much shadier arear than usually thought. In fact, grow better with some protection.

The only difficult kind is red bell peppers. Other smaller sweet peppers are usually very easy and very productive.

I've got some very rare Spanish varieties available. I can trade, mostly for Spanish varieties, or under domestic SSE conditions (3$ each, no need to be a SSE member )

My bells always prefer shade, I noticed that I wouldn't get any peppers forming until fall, then I'd get a hundred at once. It was because it was cooler. Once I started growing them in partial shade they produce all season. Where the pepper is originally from also seems to be a factor. Hungarian peppers for example don't like high temps in my experience, where as a South American pepper thrives in heat.

You water sweet peppers when they need it...not by any schedule. Stick your finger in the soil. If they're dry, you water then. If you live in a hot environment and grow in pots, you might end up watering daily.

[QUOTE=BigVanVader;626304]My bells always prefer shade, I noticed that I wouldn't get any peppers forming until fall, then I'd get a hundred at once. It was because it was cooler. Once I started growing them in partial shade they produce all season. Where the pepper is originally from also seems to be a factor. Hungarian peppers for example don't like high temps in my experience, where as a South American pepper thrives in heat.[/QUOTE]

Definitely going to get the sweets under some shade and cooler areas. Interesting about the origin areas. Think, I'll do some look ups on where the ones I plan on planting come from.

I'm so glad I decided to ask for folks opinions. At least now, I feel a whole lot more optimistic about having a successful growing season with them. I'm getting excited now. I'll be lots more excited when I see more than a couple sweet peppers too.

Knowledge is power, shared is so valuable. I knew I was doing something wrong. I'm sure my peppers will be thanking you all too. :D

Like every other plants peppers also grow in certain optimum condition.
I don't think any vegetable like scorching hot weather. That includes tomatoes and peppers too.

On the growing peppers, I gave up on any BELL variety years ago. for more than one reason.Instead I grow other better tasting varieties with slight heat or no het like : Cubanell, Poblano, Gypsy, banana, ..Fresno,.... all the way to super hots.
I have noticed that peppers fruit similar to determinant tomatoes ie in flushes , and not continuously like indet tomatoes.

OK. a question to BVV and those in south:
When do you plant out your peppers, comparing to tomatoes ? And at what spacing ?

Same time as tomatoes. I normally plant my peppers pretty tight, 8 inches or so apart but this year I'm going to try containers on some I want to overwinter. Im really excited about Ajvarski this year.

Thanks Big V,
I also like plant my peppers tight to kind of shade all the ground.
I have some ornamental that I will plant them as bunch in a big containers. They all have very small growth habit.

Peppers respond well to pruning. I used to watch a guy on YouTube who grew them in pots and pruned them like you would a fruit tree. They were beautiful plants and light could​ reach all the way through the foliage. I'm going to try to copy his techniques.

[QUOTE=Starlight;626243]
Once a pepper plant wilts isn't it ruined? I thought I read that somewhere, never to let them wilt. [/QUOTE]

[U]Absolute nonsense[/U], and I'm sure that I've told you that at least once before. Peppers wilt naturally - it's their defense against heat. They even seem to [I]like[/I] to wilt. A smart in-soil grower will use wilting (especially evening or morning) to know when the plant really would like a drink, and not water otherwise. A plant can have its leaved down around its knees, get a good drink, and an hour later look like nothing ever happened.

(After a while, you learn to read the plant so it doesn't have to wilt noticeably to know that its thirsty.)

Thanks to all the posters here. Some great info in this thread that I needed to know!!

I keep my pH at 6.2 as is recommended by HG. We grow them to sell, and the biggest challenge is keeping the branches from breaking off because of the weight of peppers. I use a mix that runs 1500-1700ppm.

[QUOTE=AKmark;626821]I keep my pH at 6.2 as is recommended by HG. We grow them to sell, and the biggest challenge is keeping the branches from breaking off because of the weight of peppers. I use a mix that runs 1500-1700ppm.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Mark! I'll up my mixer too. Mine run at 1000 ppm right now.

Question: if I added Flora Nova to a 50 gallon drum for hand watering will it stay good? I'm too lazy to mix it one watering can at a time.

[QUOTE=BigVanVader;627210]Question: if I added Flora Nova to a 50 gallon drum for hand watering will it stay good? I'm too lazy to mix it one watering can at a time.[/QUOTE]

I don't know about your product specifically, but I am not sure I would do such a large amount at one time unless your going to be able to use it in three days. I can mix a 5 gallon bucket of ferts up and when mixed with water and even having a cover over the top to keep out bits and pieces of junk that flying around I notice that by day three if I haven't used it that green algae starts to build up and inside of plastic container starts getting a slimy feel to it.

I know you have a huge number of plants so I can see you wanting something bigger to use. It generally takes me 10 gallons to cover everything and while a pain to have to stop and remix a 5 gal. bucket, it better than having to worry if some sort of bacteria or fungi may have developed in a sitting bucket and dump it and scrub clean and redo.

Hopefully somebody is familiar with your Flora Nova and give more experienced advice.

[QUOTE=BigVanVader;627210]Question: if I added Flora Nova to a 50 gallon drum for hand watering will it stay good? I'm too lazy to mix it one watering can at a time.[/QUOTE]

It should be okay for a week or so. When your plants are bigger I would add in some Cal- Mag 3ml per gallon for a starting point. I also like the grow better than the bloom, the element ratio is better for tomatoes and peppers.

You should try the 4-18-38 to save money if you do a bunch of containers, and it is specially formulated for tomatoes, but works on peppers, cucs, strawberries, greenbeans, etc.

Make sure your barrel has a lid, and is black to prevent algae.