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PaddyMc April 4, 2016 04:13 PM

Built my first Hugelkultur bed
 
Permiculture, and in particular Hugelkultur has intrigued me for a while (see [a href="http://www.richsoil.com/hugelkultur/"]this link[/a] for a general intro to hugelkultur).
This past winter a big limb cracked and fell off the boxelder tree in my empty lot garden, and it inspired me to have a try at a small hugelkultur-ish bed.
Technically, this is an "in ground" Hugel bed (one of the many variants), and I kind of messed with the system to meet my own needs, so hopefully the whole thing works. P-)

Here's the downed limb -
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So...
Step 1. Dig a hole. This one is 4' by 8' and 4' deep.
[IMG]https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1659/26172787816_26ce6d901b_c.jpg[/IMG]
I think it's cool how different the soil layers are in the dirt piles. On the right is the dark topsoil (top foot or so). On the left in front is the next layer down, a lighter sandy clay (old river edge?), behind that (and below it in the hole) is a denser, darker clay.

Step 2. Add large logs.  I formed a rough pyramid.
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I stuffed some of the inter log spaces with sod from the hole, and added some un-composted garden waste (from the top of the compost pile) into other spaces.

Step 3. Add some old corn stalks from last season.  The idea is to keep lots of air in the mix, so everything can break down over time, and have lots of looseness in the soil for the plant roots to snake through.
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Step 4. Pile on some hot, active compost from the pile.  I want lots of nice composting organisms going to work down there. I took a garden fork and kind of "shook" the whole thing so it really got down in there.
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Step 5. Add a first layer of soil back to the hole. I used the "mid" sandy clay-ish stuff. 
Then, I added a layer of much finer diameter branch "tips". Layers of wood/rotting garden waste help keep the C/N ratio in the pile on track.
above that, I stacked on some partially rotted (upper/mid compost stack) tomato vines from last year.
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Step 6. Add a layer of soil to the above, "shake" it with the fork, and then repeat the corn stalks/smaller branch tips.
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More dirt, more partly rotted tomatoes.
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At that point I hooked up the hose sprayer and watered the heck out of the thing. Just as you would a compost pile.

Step 7. One more thin layer of soil, and we're back to level with the ground.  This is where I diverge from traditional Hugelkultur. Basically, I want to grow in this bed, starting this year, and I think having a live, active, compost pile all the way to the top would rob too much nitrogen from the system, so I'm essentially building a very rich row on top of said pile, but squash roots (the plants of choice the first couple years) will have no problem reaching down to the bottom of this thing. Because of that I added a fair amount of blood meal to the following layers to counter some of the nitrogen loss.
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Step 8. Alternate layers of soil, composted steer manure, and finished compost (3"ish per layer)
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Then fork it all a bit to mix things up and keep air spaces down into the lower layers

Step 9. Final layers of of finished compost (both steer manure and from the house), layered with the top soil I dug out of the hole.
Finally I put some more active, hot, compost on top (should be just about finished in two months or so when I actually plant this bed).
[IMG]https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1669/25925892130_ba89231c51_c.jpg[/IMG]

Step 10. Almost done. Final step is to add drip tape for irrigation, followed by wood chips
(the branches in the background will be chipped tomorrow). Then IRT 100 mulch to finish it off.
I won't add the plastic mulch until just before I plant, for air exchange, and because I expect the pile to shrink and lower a bit over the next two months.
[IMG]https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1651/26172795226_16d59a52da_c.jpg[/IMG]

This is going to be home to two squash plants (Macre Giant and an elite-genes Atlantic Giant). One on each end of the bed. In the middle will be 4 stalks of corn (living trellis for beans). And some beans around the corn as nitrogen fixers. Kind of a three sisters planting on steroids.

The theory around these beds is that they only get better with time as all the wood breaks down, so I'm excited to see how it all goes.

kunosoura April 5, 2016 09:48 AM

This is really cool - love the pictures. Thank you for making the effort to share. Am interested in seeing how this turns out.

Worth1 April 5, 2016 10:15 AM

One of my raised beds is like that.
The layers as you called them are called horizons this is the dividing line between the soil layers.
It has always intrigued me because they are so distinct and abrupt.
To me it shows something changed very fast in geologic time.

I used to work with a guy for a long time and one day I found out he used to be with the US geologic survey and had a degree in geology.
So I asked him about the strange round river rocks that are on top of the soil where I live and in other places deep sand.
This is hilly country not flat ground.
The rocks you would see in a river bed not up on hills.
He told me it was more than likely caused from massive flooding from glacial outflow.
Nothing you can find on line because everything is too simplified.
As for the raised bed I dug a big hole because I needed soil so I filled it back in with wood sticks and leaves and built a raised bed on top of it.

Worked out great but be prepared to add more soil as the stuff rots.
A thousand years from now someone will be baffled as to what it is so add some old bones and trinkets to make them think it was a burial site.:lol:


Worth

PaddyMc April 5, 2016 09:26 PM

[QUOTE=Worth1;548741]
A thousand years from now someone will be baffled as to what it is so add some old bones and trinkets to make them think it was a burial site.:lol:


Worth[/QUOTE]
My wife pointed out that if you didn't know what it is, it looks [I]exactly[/I] like a grave, and probably has the neighbors nervous. Maybe it will make them think twice about wandering into my garden uninvited. :))
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Worth1 April 5, 2016 09:38 PM

[QUOTE=PaddyMc;548973]My wife pointed out that if you didn't know what it is, it looks [I]exactly[/I] like a grave, and probably has the neighbors nervous. Maybe it will make them think twice about wandering into my garden uninvited. :))
[/QUOTE]


Johnny Depp, Secret Window.:lol:

Worth

Karrr_Luda April 5, 2016 10:17 PM

Great looking hugelbed, now you need to make more :). One of my obsessions. Can't / won't plant any tree or bush without digging in some rotten wood at the bottom of the hole first. I wish I knew about it before I planted all the trees in my yard.

4season April 5, 2016 11:53 PM

I put in a small hugelkultur bed last year. Planted Swiss Chard in it, production seemed OK. I think the wood was 6 inches beneath the surface. There was a row of mushrooms along the drip tapes and it smelled like sauteed mushrooms every time it was irrigated. Looking forward to this years growth.

My Foot Smells April 7, 2016 08:40 AM

interesting. if that is your native soil, I got dirt envy, nice. no wonder them taters grow so well in Idaho.

Worth1 April 7, 2016 08:47 AM

[QUOTE=My Foot Smells;549343]interesting. if that is your native soil, I got dirt envy, nice. no wonder them taters grow so well in Idaho.[/QUOTE]

That's the kind of soil you get when you have volcanoes and glaciers for untold millions of years.

Worth

BigVanVader April 7, 2016 07:57 PM

I just wish I could dig in my dirt...I mean your soil already looks amazing.

PaddyMc April 7, 2016 11:55 PM

We do have rather great native soil. As Worth said, it's largely glacial till and old river bed (we're about four blocks away from the river). It does tend to be quite rocky in places, though I like to think of that as "well drained" :)
Central Idaho's mountains are kind of perfect for gardening, except for the cold, which does limit things somewhat.

jtjmartin September 2, 2016 10:58 PM

I put in four 4X8 hugelkultur beds last fall. We have heavy clay and I wanted raised bed so I dug down 2 - 3 feet, added new and rotten wood, and then covered it with the excavated dirt. I mixed in compost to the upper layers of soil.

We had a very wet spring in Virginia followed by one of the driest, hottest Augusts on record. The hugelkulture beds are outperforming all others! I've pulled about half of the peppers and tomatoes from the other raised beds that were diseased or not producing - almost none from the h/k beds.

I've added another 20 feet for next year.

habitat_gardener September 3, 2016 04:34 AM

[QUOTE=PaddyMc;548973]My wife pointed out that if you didn't know what it is, it looks [I]exactly[/I] like a grave, and probably has the neighbors nervous. Maybe it will make them think twice about wandering into my garden uninvited. :))[/QUOTE]

We built a couple hugelkultur beds in the small front yard over a year ago...

Ricky Shaw September 3, 2016 11:08 AM

If there's such a thing as the Jimmy Hoffa Tomato, we may be looking at a clue.

pondgardener September 3, 2016 01:04 PM

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I had a similar idea when I was digging out one of the ponds by the garden. As the saying goes...the look on my wife's face was "priceless".

jtjmartin October 2, 2016 11:01 AM

Hugel success
 
Heavy Virginia clay soil.
Lots of downed trees.
Dry summers.

I decided to try hugelkulture this past fall. It's essentially composting with buried wood. It worked great. Of all the tomatoes I planted, the only ones still alive and producing are the ones in the hugel beds. I'm sold!

Digging more today.

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Gerardo October 2, 2016 05:09 PM

I'm doing this. We've got alluvial soil for the most part.

Replacing a fuel line on my chainsaw and then it's off to dig graves.

jtjmartin October 2, 2016 10:29 PM

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Here are some pics of a new 24 foot bed. (Sorry - the pictures need to be rotated)

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These beds used to have a row of tomatoes in the back. The only tomatoes left are in the hugel beds. The vines are about 10 feet long with the leaves removed except at the top.

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PaddyMc October 4, 2016 06:35 PM

That worked VERY well! The biggest, healthiest, squash vines I've ever grown.

For reference, thus was taken July 23rd. This is a single Zapallo Macre plant, planted June 1
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The squash were big too-
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I'm making a bunch more Hugel beds next year.

jtjmartin October 4, 2016 06:48 PM

Hugel
 
Wow! That is a big squash?!

A number of people worry about decaying wood robbing the soil of nitrogen. I've noticed that my beds certainly haven't required any additional nitrogen and have needed a lot less water.

Yours need more nitrogen?

Worth1 October 4, 2016 06:57 PM

[QUOTE=jtjmartin;594913]Wow! That is a big squash?!

A number of people worry about decaying wood robbing the soil of nitrogen. I've noticed that my beds certainly haven't required any additional nitrogen and have needed a lot less water.

Yours need more nitrogen?[/QUOTE]

If the wood decays in a slow manner naturally and critters and fungi break it down it doesn't rob the soil of nitrogen as much from what I can tell.
It is when you want to hot compost it is when this happens big time.
This is just from my own observations.

Worth

jtjmartin October 4, 2016 07:02 PM

That makes a lot of sense. Thank you.

greenthumbomaha October 4, 2016 07:42 PM

Good stuff. I threw in what ever branches I could find on the bottom of my raised beds two years ago when they were filled They are 18 inches deep, and I don't see too much difference in them. I thought the branches take several years to break down in my climate so something to look forward to.

- Lisa

PaddyMc October 4, 2016 08:54 PM

[QUOTE=jtjmartin;594913]Wow! That is a big squash?!

A number of people worry about decaying wood robbing the soil of nitrogen. I've noticed that my beds certainly haven't required any additional nitrogen and have needed a lot less water.

Yours need more nitrogen?[/QUOTE]

Not beyond the initial cup of blood meal I threw in the mix when I was filling the hole. I'll be interested to see how that bed does next year.

IdahoTee April 14, 2017 12:23 AM

Paddy-

In the process of beginning my first Hugel. Because of the river rock soil, I opted to peel the sod up, dig a shallow bed and lay in cut Aspen logs from last year. I am jealous of your soil - looks fairly rock free. I am just down the street towards the Big Wood.

One concern I have is the logs are still too green, but I have a lot of wood this year so figured it was worth the attempt. The less rotted wood may impact the mound in the first year but hopefully added nitrogen sources will offset.

On top and in between the log layer I plan on layering hot chicken manure/litter to provide a nitrogen source, some kitchen scraps and the sod I pulled. Then aspen and willow branches, leaf mulch, sod, scraps, branches, compost and soil.

It will be more of a mound but looking forward to it slowly breaking down over the next few years and improving. Planning on doing a squash as well.

PaddyMc April 17, 2017 12:00 PM

I used pretty green logs last year (cut up from a big branch that cracked off the tree under snow load). I think you should be fine. I'm putting in two more Hugel's this year.
PM me and let's talk specifics.
Also - welcome to tomatoville!

Rockporter April 17, 2017 12:38 PM

[QUOTE=pondgardener;590676]I had a similar idea when I was digging out one of the ponds by the garden. As the saying goes...the look on my wife's face was "priceless".[/QUOTE]

Divorce the next day would be on my first take out the trash from the garden list if my husband ever did anything like this. That is sick man, I wouldn't trust him again. :twisted:

IdahoTee April 17, 2017 05:49 PM

[QUOTE]I used pretty green logs last year (cut up from a big branch that cracked off the tree under snow load). I think you should be fine. I'm putting in two more Hugel's this year.
PM me and let's talk specifics.
Also - welcome to tomatoville! [/QUOTE] Thanks for the welcome - I am excited to be here and be a part of so much fantastic grow knowledge. I must admit already stalking (in a good way) some of your previous posts. ;)

Will PM you.

geotek April 30, 2017 11:09 PM

I've found that in the SE, wood decays so rapidly that some nitrogen needs to be added to help get the tomato plant established. My hugels are built with semi to well rotted wood. I build little walls out the clay to create terraces to hold topsoil in place on top of the log. (The soil out of my front yard could pass for adobe once it dries out.)
My hugels are in the front yard as well and still mystify the neighbors.

jtjmartin May 1, 2017 12:46 PM

Geotek:

I would love to see some pictures if you get a chance.

I add nitrogen to my huglebeds too since they are just a couple years old. They heat up quicker in the spring and take a lot less water than my other raised beds. A huge success in Virginia clay!


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