Interested in testing new hybrids?
 

Last year I used several of my best inbred breeding lines to make various hybrid combinations. I don't have much seed but would like to supplement my testing with a few more locations. These are all striped cherries/grapes. I could send 3-4 seed of one or two hybrids each to a handfull of folks for testing. I have 8-10 to test in total. Please PM me if you are interested. Thanks

Mark

I could help with a few hybrids. What's required?

Simply a promise to plant the seed, tend the plants and post results

Mark, I am eschewing sending you a private PM and wish to take you up on your offer publicly. Your choice of two of your hybrids and I will send you a couple of my rarest hybrids I made last year between interesting new inbreds as well. I made 672 crosses last year..not all made but well over 400 did.

We are in similar enterprises...so why not cooperate? You don't have to list the parents of the hybrids, I just feel the spirit of exchange should suffice.

I have selected an intern to dog my work with making hybrids and my plan is to combine our efforts in making crosses in various greenhouses, field and garden plantings to make an ambitious effort. I figure this can be done over a five month period and could perhaps be done several thousand of times. My lowest goal is for 5,000 but it could easily exceed that if I get a few volunteer interns. My crosses will begin later this month in the Cascades and San Diego County, but will be concentrated in Snohomish County where my intern and I live.

To speed the database of hybrids already done and to record each hybrid a series of barcodes/etc. will be implemented to hasten the data input and retrieval. For instance....can you read this?
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/hMPXlGi.png[/IMG]

The barcodes will be loaded to a label with each plant but may be linked to some other identity to protect the intellectual property. Since my intern is helping me sort my tens of thousands of seed units...the existing identity of cross or OP number with a sow date will continue to follow 60 years of established detail so that my database and seed inventory can be "Googled" internally. That means that 11221313 will show up as Pacific Bluestem tomato and that number will always be coded to that date and number. The barcode will allow me to use my Iphone and other devices and follow a variety of templates for data, including pictures, descriptions, etc.

Mark, I have gotten off the topic more than just a bit, but I think you get my drift on where new experimental hybrids could lead the way to more varietal development.

Sounds good Tom, I'll send you my mailing address and ask you to do the same

Mark

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About Tom Wagner
has been updated with my mailing address
So if anyone wants to send me seed to use in breeding ...you have a link to how to send seed my way.

Still waiting to see if anyone has an Iphone to scan the codes

[QUOTE=Tom Wagner;389615][URL="http://tomatoville.com/member.php?u=919&tab=aboutme&simple=1"]View your "About Me" as seen by everyone else[/URL]
About Tom Wagner
has been updated with my mailing address
So if anyone wants to send me seed to use in breeding ...you have a link to how to send seed my way.

Still waiting to see if anyone has an Iphone to scan the codes[/QUOTE]

Tom if you meant for someone to test and see if they worked I scanned them with my Samsung galaxy S 3 and they worked.

Worth

Thanks to those offering to help evaluate some new hybrids. I'll plan on sending seed this weekend based on the comments recieved in your PM.

Mark

Sent seed today of eight hybrids to 12 growers from CA to Finland - should be fun. I will have all of these at one or more of my U.S. nursery locations also and will be posting photos here - hopefully others will also. Thanks to all for your willingness to help!

Besides being striped cherries/grapes is there anything else you would want us to know about individual crosses?

I personally received:
3C45
3C3

Thanks,

Chris

All of the hybrids I sent were crosses between stable or near stable FLF breeding lines. All are indeterminate and RL and have fruit with stripes. Fruit size of the various hybrids are cherries, grapes, plums, saladettes or small hearts. I expect 3C3 to be a GWR small heart and 3C45 to be an orange plum/saladette. I hope that helps.

I got another request today and still have some seed left of a few of these. Thanks.

Mark

Seeds arrived today. What should I expect from 3C5?

Got some seeds
 

Four of 3C45 and 3C54 and three of 3C3.

[QUOTE=dfollett;391357]Seeds arrived today. What should I expect from 3C5?[/QUOTE]

Small striped GWR/bicolor heart

Mark,

I got 3C8 and 3C57. What should I expect from these?

Thanks,
Robin

Many thanks, got mine today!

[QUOTE=RobinB;391498]Mark,

I got 3C8 and 3C57. What should I expect from these?

Thanks,
Robin[/QUOTE]

Robin - both should be early striped grapes - purple w/ green stripes. I expect 3C8 to have much darker flesh.

Sounds interesting! Will be curious to hear the results of these growouts. Thanks for sharing!

Lee

Thank you, seeds arrived today, mine are the same as Robin's 3C8 and 3C57 [QUOTE=frogsleap farm;391585]Robin - both should be early striped grapes - purple w/ green stripes. I expect 3C8 to have much darker flesh.[/QUOTE]

Sounds good to me and I'll be sowing these later today.

Mark, the seeds arrived today, thank you for this opportunity. How embarrassing for our postal system, almost a week later than overseas to Finland and Wales! I look forward to growing these out; and since I have the same ones as Jayc and Robin, it will be interesting to note the difference in our different climates.

Mark, I got the seeds last week, thanks!

3C54 -
3C40 -
3C45 - orange plum/saladette.
3C6

Can you let me know what you're expecting from ones that don't have a description listed? What would help you as far as record keeping?

[QUOTE=Boutique Tomatoes;393886]Mark, I got the seeds last week, thanks!

3C54 - small purple striped heart
3C40 - orange striped biocolr saladette
3C45 - orange plum/saladette.
3C6 - small orange striped bicolor heart

Can you let me know what you're expecting from ones that don't have a description listed? What would help you as far as record keeping?[/QUOTE]

Mark/all - these are new F1's from parents that have unique combinations of traits. These predicted phenotypes are my best guesses - but I've been surprized before, and especially when using GWR/bicolor parents - which is the case for several of these.

I received and planted:
all three seeds of 3C3;
all four seeds of 3C45 and
all four seeds of 3C54
on February 16.

The first (3C54) popped up yesterday (10 days - no heat). Today the score is:
3C3 = 1/3 = 33.3%
3C45 = 1/4 = 25%
3C54 = 2/4 = 50%.

More are likely.

Planted both varieties two weeks ago, and the results so far:
3C3: one seedling (looks healthy and vigorous)
3C54: none germinated

Of the 4 varieties I received I have 3-4 plants of all but 3C40, that one I only got two that germinated. I *think* that one I only received 3 seeds for, so overall germination was very good for me.

3C3 - 1 out 4 up
3C45 - 2 out 3 up -- I'm concerned they may both have 'helmet' head.

3C3 total 2 seedlings, one died, the other is struggling and not yet planted.
3C45 total three seedlings, strongest one planted, but not robust.
3C54 total three seedlings, strongest one planted, but not robust.

I have all of these planted here (MN) this summer. In general vegetative vigor and plant health look very good - certainly signs of hybrid vigor in plant growth. The first of these are now flowering.

Hi Mark,

Here's some info on the hybrids. I had 100% germination on 3C3, 3C6, and 3C57. All the plants are very healthy, RL, about 5 to 6 inches tall and were planted in the garden last Fri. No blooms as yet but they look great.

Your Hybrid's status thus far
 

All your hybrids were planted the first week of June and are approximately 2 feet tall at the end of June.
All 3 plants appear to be very vigorous and healthy.

I have one plant of 3C3:

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This is its fruit (it appears to be a plum, any striping does not appear to be prominent:

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I have two plants of 3C45:

Plant 3C45-1:

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3C45-1 flower & fruit (cherries?):

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Plant 3C45-2:

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3C45-2 flower & fruit (cherries?):

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