Tricked You Peppers & Others
 

It's a hybrid pepper that is supposed to be an improved version of 'Fooled You' jalapeno. I have never grown either variety and am wondering if any of you have grown them? Do they taste like a jalapeno just without the heat?
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I'm looking at the new Seeds n Such catalog and found a variety called Takara Shish!to. I'm wondering if they are same thing as Shish!to? It says that 10% of them can be spicy. Uh-huh, let them grow out in the Texas heat and about 90% can be spicy.
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Banana peppers were boring to me until one day when I tossed some into a hot pan. They release a wonderful flavor - so good that we made chili powder out of them. No questions - I just wanted to share that info.
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I'm thinking about growing some Gypsy and/or Cubanelle. I want to grow a few varieties that are less than 3,000 Scoville Units. Do any of you have ideas? I'll most likely order seeds from Seeds n Such.

As for hotter peppers - every grocery store around here sells them very cheaply.

Robert, I've grown "Fooled You Jalapeno" and it has the rich flavor most of us would love, but none of the heat. My wife likes the flavor but cannot handle the heat, so we grow them to make stuffed jalapenos that she really loves. There are a couple of the "heatless" ones and there's also the Zavory Habanero that also has the flavor and none of the heat.

At a very personal level, I'm a self professed pepper wimp. However, I do like deseeded jalapeno peppers when used as a stuffed pepper - usually with some kind of meat combination.

[QUOTE=AlittleSalt;720260]As for hotter peppers - every grocery store around here sells them very cheaply.[/QUOTE]

I've not been able to find a hot jalapeno from a grocery store in ages ... they all seem extremely mild, almost no heat, compared to homegrown. I think it is a supply chain thing. When I order sliced jalapenos on my pizza, they are usually a perfect heat so I guess they are sourced differently.
If flavor and reduced heat is what you want, maybe stick to Anaheims?

I would like to help but I haven't a clue as to what would be hot for someone else compared to what I consider hot.

I wouldn't spend one cent on a non hot jalapeno pepper. :lol:

Thank you Ted, that's what I was hoping for from 'Fooled You/Tricked You'. About half of my family and friends want to eat peppers, but they can't take the heat.

Rhines81, jalapeno peppers are a guessing game around here. Sometimes they are not very hot at all, and sometimes they are still hot even after taking the seeds out.

Worth, you already know that I want to try the no heat peppers for my family and friends. For me personally, I like growing peppers that I can pick and eat in the garden. Serrano is my general limit on eating them fresh - although I've eaten plenty of early season tabasco peppers.

You won't see me eating a fresh tabasco pepper in August or later - been there, lips and tongue caught on fire :lol:

My wife chose a couple of varieties. Fooled You is one of them, she found one that sounds interesting - I had never heard of it. Candy Cane Red Hybrid [URL]https://www.seedsnsuch.com/product/candy-cane-red-hybrid/[/URL] It sure looks interesting. She wants us to grow it for striped colors.

So far, I've chosen Jimmy Nardello. Not just because I've read so many good reviews here and on other sites, but I tried growing it a couple years ago in a section of a garden with RKN and FW3. I was unaware of the soil problems, so I want to give them a second chance, but this time in 5 gallon buckets.

I did read about a variety of Ancho/poblano that might work for gardeners with cooler growing conditions. Mosquetero [URL]https://www.seedsnsuch.com/product/mosquetero-hybrid/[/URL]

Robert, I grew Jimmy Nardello about 10 ago. It was a skinny thing about 10 inches long. In the raw, it was nothing to get excited about, but put it on the grill or in the skillet and it popped with a flavor that will please even the novice (which I was at the time). With sime of the mildly warm varieties, I think my data shows that reducing the direct sun exposure in the last half of the pepper's maturing and color changing life will also gain you a slightly less heat factor. Nothing to back up that statement. It's just a feeling/impression I got.

The year I grew JimNar, I also tried to grow Corno di Toro. The seed I received in a trade turned out to be "Corno di Holy Krap". The scoville must have been about 20,000. It was way above regular jalapenos. So beware of all supposedly "NON HOT" peppers until you can cut a small area of the skin and touch a micro dot of the juice/fluid to your finger and then your tongue.

After a couple of years of adding a small dash of ground red pepper to most of my soups and smoked meat dishes, I can handle more of the heat. You might think about that for some your family members if they wish to gain more tolerance to the heat. I can actually stand a couple wings that were prepared with a habanero sauce. I keep the milk close, though.

Check out the New Mexico State University Chile Pepper Institute site. They have Numex Primavera Jalapeno that is mild, and they have Numex Trick or Treat habanero that has no heat, but habanero flavor.

[url]https://cpi.nmsu.edu/[/url]

Charley, that's a really good site, and it has been a while since I've looked at it. I will check it out.

I'm making my list - checking it twice...:lol: more like checking it 10 times.
All of the varieties listed below can be found at this site [URL]https://www.seedsnsuch.com/product-category/non-gmo-vegetable-seeds/peppers/[/URL] The number after the variety name is what page they are on.

These are going to be bought. 3 of the 4 varieties are ones that I have wanted to grow for years.

Alma Paprika 1
Candy Cane Red Hybrid 2
Fooled You Jalapeno Hybrid 3
Jimmy Nardello 5

The maybe list:

Cherry Pick Hybrid 2
Hungarian Cheese Hybrid 5
Pretty N Sweet Hybrid 7 (Can be grown in a 6 inch pot. I like that.)

Someone pointed out that Candy Cane Red does not retain it's stripes when grown to full maturity.


I might be able to help with seeds of some of the other varieties. Going to a holiday party across town tonight. Weather is brutal, but the food n fun is great. . Will check when I get back later this evening.


- Lisa

We grew Roulette this year--it's a sweet no heat Habanero.

Mostly no heat but occasionally one may be hot. Useful as a replacement for sweet peppers.

Perfect for small gardens with short growing season.



[url]https://www.damseeds.ca/productcart/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=3944[/url]

D317 Roulette Hybrid

2018 AAS Winner. Roulette is typically a sweet no heat Habanero. However it gets its name Roulette because on occasion there is hot fruit produced. Normally a Habanero is too hot for most Canadians to taste and the heat masks its intense citrusy flavour. With Roulette, typically it has no heat so you can taste the citrusy flavour of the fruit. It is also an early producer, yielding over 50 large 3.5" x 2" fruits per plant. Fruits turn deep red when mature. This is one you have to try!

[QUOTE=greenthumbomaha;720304]Someone pointed out that Candy Cane Red does not retain it's stripes when grown to full maturity.


I might be able to help with seeds of some of the other varieties. Going to a holiday party across town tonight. Weather is brutal, but the food n fun is great. . Will check when I get back later this evening.


- Lisa[/QUOTE]

All of the sites I looked at says the same thing. They do mature to be red, but that would explain the red part of the name :)
Be careful in that weather.

EPawlick, Roulette Hybrid sounds like a good name for that variety.

I tried "Fooled You" (supposedly a hybrid) a couple of times, and it didn't do well for me here in IN. I got very few peppers, although they were mild. Hope your luck is better. I'm going with Numex Primavera next spring, and hope it comes though for me. I'm not a pepper afficionado at all, but the Numex varieties I've grown previously have done well.
-GG

Fooled You tasted like a green bell for me. It wasn't bad, but I just couldn't distinguish the taste any from green bell pepper. I could see the novelty of wanting a small pepper to stuff for those who are averse to regular jalapenos.

[QUOTE=Cole_Robbie;720358]Fooled You tasted like a green bell for me. It wasn't bad, but I just couldn't distinguish the taste any from green bell pepper. I could see the novelty of wanting a small pepper to stuff for those who are averse to regular jalapenos.[/QUOTE]

Cole, that's what I think Jalapeno M tastes like when seeded and the inside walls scraped. We used to substitute Jalapenos cleaned that way for green bell peppers because it was cheaper to buy jalapenos than bell peppers.

I actually doubted starting this thread because of knowing what we both wrote above. I am hoping that there is a very mild jalapeno that tastes like a hot jalapeno but without the heat. I just looked up 'Capsaicin and flavor.' This site explains a lot, and I hope everyone who likes any heat level peppers reads it. [URL]https://scienceandfooducla.wordpress.com/2017/01/17/capsaicin/[/URL]

Of course it has to be a nerve signals to the brain thing. If anyone
should have known that - it would be me. (For the 1% of the people reading this that doesn't know - I have two nerve diseases that sends false nerve signals to my brain.) ...more to think about.

Car problems today - may take the money away from buying seeds. I won't know until tomorrow when we take the car to our mechanic. I'm thinking it's the heater core.

We have a lot of saved pepper seeds from 2014 and 2016. The 2015 year was way to wet to grow peppers - I didn't save seeds that year. They are not in alphabetical order, and they are not mild or no heat varieties. These may also be crosses. I have had success starting/growing peppers from 2007 in 2016, so I know it can happen. [I]The first 7 on the list[/I] were grown from 2007 seeds that Worth sent me.

Varieties we have:

[I]Filus Blue[/I]
[I]Mambo[/I]
[I]Marbles[/I]
[I]Maui Purple[/I]
[I]Masquerade[/I]
[I]Riot[/I]
[I]Royal Black[/I]
Tabasco (My av picture - actually the seeds are from those peppers pictured.)
Ornamental Thai Chili
Aji Amarillo
Anaheim
Bajio
Bishop's Crown
Brazilian Starfish
Leutschauer
Mosco Chili
Pueblo

When grown just for me and Jan, I liked growing good tasting ornamental looking peppers. We have around 200 days from transplant to frost/freeze, so for us, peppers are very colorful and edible. That is why I put Alma Paprika and Pretty N Sweet on my list.

greenthumbomaha, Lisa, I replied to your PM right before I knew about the car problems.

Everyone, the seeds I saved are available for trade or I could send you some SASE, but they could be crosses. I grew them in raised beds for their beauty. I grew it more like a you would grow a flowerbed.

It wasn't the heater core. It's the water pump going out. Water Pump Timing kit + antifreeze $200.00 Mechanic $350.00 = $550.00.

Well that stinks that the labor is so high. Where I work the salary for the PCA/CNA'/bath aids is just over $10, and they work really hard and have tons of responsibility!!! No benefits either, except for management and a few select others that have been there many years . How many hours is that labor?


I've got the following smallish fruited peppers which I will post here so others may also be able to help:


Fort Knox - Burpee
Alma Paprika - Seed Savers
Jimmy Nardello - Seed Savers + seed library
Mini Chocolate Bell= Seed Savers

Round of Hungary - Johnny's


I have your address from the Numex peppers that you sent me in 2015.



If your local grocery has an in store bakery, washed 3 gal frosting buckets make fabulous food grade planters for peppers. Mine cost $1 but they are in high demand from other customers. Now is a good time of year to find them with all the holiday baked goods they are selling. You can make a bucket garden, preferably fenced, away from sight.


- Lisa

It's a most of the day tedious job on a 2003 PT Cruiser for a professional mechanic.
In comparison, our younger son and I replaced the water pump and thermostat on his 2000 Silverado truck a few weeks ago. It took us two hours because we were learning. Now that we have done it - we could do it again within an hour because it is easy to get to.

Even though they are both changing out a water pump - the engines and difficulty level are way different. $350.00 for the PT cruiser job is actually cheap. [URL]https://repairpal.com/estimator/chrysler/pt+cruiser/water-pump-replacement-cost[/URL]

Sorry everyone, when your only car needs important repairs - it can get in the way of gardening. We will figure it out - we always have.

We have a 04 P T Cruiser just had the water pump replaced on it payed a little over $ 700 so yes you are getting away cheap. Mike

[QUOTE=greenthumbomaha;720451]Well that stinks that the labor is so high. Where I work the salary for the PCA/CNA'/bath aids is just over $10, and they work really hard and have tons of responsibility!!! No benefits either, except for management and a few select others that have been there many years . How many hours is that labor?


I've got the following smallish fruited peppers which I will post here so others may also be able to help:


Fort Knox - Burpee
Alma Paprika - Seed Savers
Jimmy Nardello - Seed Savers + seed library
Mini Chocolate Bell= Seed Savers

Round of Hungary - Johnny's


I have your address from the Numex peppers that you sent me in 2015.



If your local grocery has an in store bakery, washed 3 gal frosting buckets make fabulous food grade planters for peppers. Mine cost $1 but they are in high demand from other customers. Now is a good time of year to find them with all the holiday baked goods they are selling. You can make a bucket garden, preferably fenced, away from sight.


- Lisa[/QUOTE]

Last night, I only replied about the car part of your post. It was a very busy day of going to the mechanic/parts store/bank/loan place/bank/loan place/parts store/mechanic/...

Today is a new day, so I started looking up Fort Knox peppers. Getting info on that variety is like figuring out how to get gold out of Fort Knox :lol: So far, I've found that it is a golden yellow bell pepper. The Burpee site no longer lists it.

I went through all of my pepper seeds and found some that I forgot about in a sandwich bag. The results shortened my list to buy.

Alma Paprika
Candy Cane Red Hybrid
Fooled You Jalapeno Hybrid
Pretty N Sweet Hybrid

I would like to try the Alma Paprika to compare it to the NuMex Garnet Paprika that I have.
I have Jimi Nardello seeds which were on my list.
Red Cherry takes the place of the Cherry Pick F1 that was on my list.
I do have Fooled You Jalapeno F2 from the MMMM, but I would still like to get Fooled You Jalapeno F1 to compare them.

I'm hoping the Fooled You Jalapeno F2 seeds are viable. They are from 2013. I keep meaning to write that I have read on one site that that Tricked You is an improved version of Fooled You. I have also read on other sites that they are the same variety going by either name. It isn't the first time I've seen that. Sort of like Ancho is actually the dried form of a Poblano pepper.

Candy Cane Red Hybrid may be dropped from my list because I found Pinot Noir F1 seeds in that sandwich bag. We have grown Pinot Noir and they taste as good as they look. Here's a picture/site. [URL]https://www.burpee.com/vegetables/peppers/pepper-sweet-pinot-noir-hybrid-prod000841.html[/URL]

Salt, I have the baker creek whole seed catalog for 2019. In it they list a heatless jalapeno. it's called a nadapeno. I grow tam jalapenos that are milder than the standard jalapeno varieties. My family enjoys them and they do o.k. for this part of the south. I'd like some of your mambo, marbles, and maui purple peppers. could I send you some tam jalapenos in trade?

[QUOTE=upcountrygirl;720494]Salt, I have the baker creek whole seed catalog for 2019. In it they list a heatless jalapeno. it's called a nadapeno. I grow tam jalapenos that are milder than the standard jalapeno varieties. My family enjoys them and they do o.k. for this part of the south. I'd like some of your mambo, marbles, and maui purple peppers. could I send you some tam jalapenos in trade?[/QUOTE]

I have plenty of those seeds to send to you. The TAM Jalapeno was developed at Texas A&M - hence the name. Here they grow to be just as hot as type M Jalapenos. I have TAM seeds. PM me your mailing info or send me a SASE - either way works for me.

Nadapeno :lol: what a good name. [URL]https://www.rareseeds.com/nadape-o-pepper-/[/URL]

Salt I ordered the Nadapeno. If you want a few seeds let me know.
I've grown Fooled you jalapeño, but it's been such a long time, I don't
remember the flavor..I think my sister liked them.

[QUOTE=roper2008;720548]Salt I ordered the Nadapeno. If you want a few seeds let me know.
I've grown Fooled you jalapeño, but it's been such a long time, I don't
remember the flavor..I think my sister liked them.[/QUOTE]

If you are interested we could trade some seeds. I will be ordering the Fooled You seeds very soon. I could send you some seeds to help you remember their flavor.

Thinking about that - Cubanelle is a variety that I have seeds for. I grew them in 2016, and I don't remember what they tasted like. But I also grew around 30 other pepper varieties that year.

After two cold almost constant rainy days, I have researched peppers to grow in 2019. As I've already written, none of these varieties are as hot as grocery store Jalapenos. I can buy those all day for under a dollar. I will share the interesting parts of my site reading/research:

[B]Alma Paprika[/B] - matures from white to orange to red. White has almost no heat, and the redder they get - the hotter they are 0-2,000 Scoville Units.
[B]NuMex Garnet Paprika[/B]. I'm interested in comparing the two Paprika varieties fresh and ground into paprika.

[B]Anaheim[/B] - I have the seeds and they are fun to grow 500-2,500 Scoville Units.
[B]Fooled You F1 and F2[/B] - What started this thread.
[B]Banana Peppers (Sweet)[/B] - I've already written about them in this thread.
[B]Jimmy Nardello[/B] - an Italian frying pepper that some will tell you they are among the best.
[B]Cubanelle[/B] - some sites say they taste better than bell peppers. I've read that are very popular in Cuban cuisine
[B]Pinot Noir F1[/B] - a strange colored good tasting bell pepper that we have really enjoyed growing and eating them.
[B]Candy Cane Red F1[/B] - a bell pepper that my wife wants us to grow. (What better reason?)
[B]Red Cherry[/B], I've grown these in ground. It took me years to find them (Ones that aren't hot) I remember these from when I was a young child. I love them pickled and fresh.
[B]Pretty N Sweet F1[/B]. This one intrigues me the most. I have not grown it yet, but this one from countless sites says it's an ornamental that is edible. Good eaten fresh or fried. Every site looks just like the one before with a slight changing of word orders. Some sites called them Ornamedibles. The site I'm ordering them from says they can grow in 6 inch pots.

To me, most peppers are ornamental because they have color in the garden for so long here. I am interested in varieties that can grow in different sized pots - especially in 10 inch and smaller sized pots.

When starting this thread, I was looking for 3 or 4 varieties of peppers to grow in 2019. Gardening is fun and enticing - you want to try it all. This coming year is about growing some not so hot varieties for our friends and family, but I want to learn along the way. I'm glad I started this thread because gardening is also inspirational. I can even see some carpentry involved - cases to hold those pots to be able to move them around when needed.

[QUOTE=AlittleSalt;720562]If you are interested we could trade some seeds. I will be ordering the Fooled You seeds very soon. I could send you some seeds to help you remember their flavor.

Thinking about that - Cubanelle is a variety that I have seeds for. I grew them in 2016, and I don't remember what they tasted like. But I also grew around 30 other pepper varieties that year.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like a plan. I still need to order from Chili Pepper Institute and Seed Savers Exchange after the new year. I'm a seed addict.

Baker Creek has already been ordered.

Salt, aren't you partaking in the MMMM? You can request varieties from Tormato. "Sweet Pickle" (it's in the swap) is a sweet edible ornamental that grows nicely in about 1 gallon or less of soil. Not my favorite for eating fresh, maybe more of a fryer?

Nan, I donated a lot of seeds to the MMMM, but haven't asked for anything yet.