[QUOTE=Greatgardens;765426]@ Fred Hempel- How big is the Creamsicle plant, say relative to Pink Cherrywine or Madera? 1.5-2" long fruit (from your picture)? Would it be container friendly, maybe in a 15 gallon bag? I've found that quite a few IND tomatoes do very well in grow bags, and yield well, but do not grow huge.[/QUOTE]

It is usually one of the biggest and most productive small-fruited plants in our field. Massive vines. The only OP grape of ours that we are happy with.

I found Sungrape at Osborne Seeds. The only "Sun" product that I've had trouble with is Sungold -- splits very badly for me. Sunorange solves that. So for me in 5b, anything "Sun" from Tokita is likely going to be a good bet.

I also think that Napa Grape hybrid from Burpee might be worth another try. I grew it years ago when introduced, so I don't remember much about it. It is supposedly a smaller IND plant that looks like it would be container-friendly. I'm definitely looking for plants that will do nicely in an EarthBox or GrowBag.

Ha ha Karen. Guess I'm lucky to have dogs and chickens to eat the new-to-me varieties that didn't pan out :lol:. Mine have all tasted watered down so far, due to several heavy rains and picking at first blush didn't even help.......

Linda

Ruby Crush - One gardening friend I provided 2 RC seedling to has reported back that yes, thick skin and not the best taste, but growth is very easy to control, and it is very productive in pots.

[QUOTE=Greatgardens;765441]So for me in 5b, anything "Sun" from Tokita is likely going to be a good bet.
I'm definitely looking for plants that will do nicely in an EarthBox or GrowBag.[/QUOTE]

For me, Sun Lemon is always a shorter Tokita, and the taste is great when it is allowed to properly ripen. I also find that Golden Cherry is the shortest of it, SunGold and SunOrange. I don't find much difference in taste between the 3. But the rest of the Tokitas are monsters.

I will certainly continue to experiment with other varieties (such as AAS Celano), but I'm glad that I grew Ruby Crush. To me the taste was excellent, and the plant really had no other faults. It has a very strong "tomatoey" flavor. I've personally never tasted a grape tomato that was really sweet, as with some cherries. RC is versatile -- great for slicing in half or quarters on salads as well as snacking. They remind me of Juliet, but smaller fruit and on a very manageable 4-ft plant. It was very surprising that RC did so much better in an EarthBox than in the ground. Nearly all of the fruit from the EB are large, while the plant in-ground had significantly smaller fruit, and tasted inferior also. My cherry tomatoes in the ground are right next to RC, and they did great.